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The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
According to the topic, LSU's largest blown lead in the last 11 years of football was 16 points to us in 2008. Meanwhile, we've somehow blown seven 17-point leads in the same timespan, and somehow lost 24-35 against Virginia Tech when we were up 24-0. That got me to thinking; that's an interesting and impressive stat. As much as LSU fans complained about Les Miles' offense, coordinator hires, and clock management, how far back do I have to go to find Arkansas-levels of incompetence with losing games that were well in hand?

I went back to the beginning of the BCS, and the only time LSU ever lost a game they were up by three scores was against Tennessee in 2005, when they went to halftime up 21-0. I was going to go further back to the '92 expansion, but I got to '94 and started running out of easily Googled data and got bored. As of '94, they still hadn't done it again.

I can recall five of those seven 17-point losses off the top of my head, and they were all blown in the third or fourth quarter. It's not like we jump out to an early fluky lead (like when we went up 14-0 against LSU in 2011) and then the game eventually equalizes. We've dominated and fallen apart consistently ever since JLS.

What causes our football teams to be so predisposed to this? I'm convinced the only way to beat it is to recruit our way out and I'm not entirely sure we can do that. Morris finished last cycle with the best class we've ever signed, but it was looking like it was going to end up in the top 15 and be truly notable, and ended up #20-#23 - barely above status quo. I'm interested to see what he can do going forward. We can talk about his Texas recruiting connections all day, but if he's truly the shite on the trail, he's going to have to at least stop our top talent from leaving the state. At least the ones who aren't transplants.

And honestly, I think outside of skill positions, Texas high school players are overrated with their 7-on-7 football. There's a reason zero out of five P5 Texas schools rarely if ever have a good defense. I really wish Bert's BS Louisiana and Florida "pipelines" turned out to be legit, because I think that's where we'd have built the stout lines he was supposed to have been known for.

It's frustrating to see LSU has basically never had a frickup on the scale of an Arkansas meltdown, the ones we have come to consistently expect even when we've got the game basically won. The perception of our program would be a bit different if we'd stop losing to Rutgers, Colorado State, ULM, and a 4-8 Missouri team when we're up by three scores in the third quarter.


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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
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What causes our football teams to be so predisposed to this?


Culture. Went bad with Petrino, hasn't recovered.


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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
Bert was terrible at losing leads. So bad that I often felt that we had a better chance if we were down a little at halftime.


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Bert was terrible at losing leads. So bad that I often felt that we had a better chance if we were down a little at halftime.


Agree. And Im not sure what the problem was honestly.

Looking back, we had a couple of pretty decent teams and one really good team that should have won 10 games. But we lost SO many close games. It was heartbreaking. Honestly the only close game I can think of that we have won in the past few years was the first TCU game.

I was also thinking the other day, how nice it was when we blew out a ranked Ole Miss team and also a ranked LSU team in Baton Rouge.

I don't miss Bert's incompetence but I do miss some of the winning he had, however few that may have been


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You miss the winning we had with bert? We shitcanned him after he went 3-9 with one of those being a nail biter against coastal fricking Carolina you twat. The only reason Bert ever won was because of the Allen brothers and drew morgan(who had to have a ton of injuries to see the field or would’ve waisted away)who were coming to Arkansas regardless with one already being on the hill and the players he inherited from Bobby P. If it wasn’t for philon and flowers imagine how shitty that 2nd year would’ve been too


Eta: beer needed 10 win talent to win the games in the sec. he took 5 6 7 win talent teams and won 3 or 4 games
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BurtReynoldsMustache
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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
I’d argue poor strength and conditioning. We were very lopsided. Very strong but also slow with no endurance fitness. That combined with depth chart issues is how you blow big leads.


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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
All of what’s been said plus I feel like Bert wanted to act like we were a power run team once we had a lead. Unfortunately, we lacked the ability to be a power run team.
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Arksulli
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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
As others have said, I think it was primarily a conditioning and depth issue. Going to the power run game with the lead is a perfectly fine strategy. Hell, its a winning strategy for 99% of the programs out there. You sprinkle in a few play action passes and slowly bleed the clock to death. If the other team cuts into the lead you open up the offense a bit more.

Even Army, the triple option express, brings in the TEs and cheerfully hammers away between the tackles once they got a good lead. Generally speaking they'd whip people's butt by that point in the game doing it as well.

Our problem was that by the mid way point of the 3rd quarter our players looked like it was the end of the 4th quarter. By the 4th quarter they looked like they had just survived a 7 OT game. We didn't collapse so much as completely run out of gas. We won some 4th quarter games but that tended to be against teams almost as badly flawed as us. Thank God for Ole Miss.


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VagueMessage
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re: The "Largest blown lead" thread on tRant.
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Looking back, we had a couple of pretty decent teams and one really good team that should have won 10 games. But we lost SO many close games. It was heartbreaking. Honestly the only close game I can think of that we have won in the past few years was the first TCU game.


We should have won ten games in both 2014 and 2015, IMO. Bert could have gotten owned the way he did and would still be here if he won more of those close wtf games. We also won a close one with Ole Miss the same year as TCU, I think.


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