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Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:05 pm to Stonehog
quote:hold up what game is pulley changing I wanna hear this.
Having Pulley would.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:08 pm to Stonehog
quote:so has just about every other team in America it's football people get hurt. And you don't get to claim greenlaw he hasn't missed a game all year. And rawleigh retired before the season. So it's not like your having to figure out what to do to replace him mod season. Plus we had 2 4 stars behind him so I don't think he would've made much of a difference when our line is this bad. And yes I do wanna see someone fired when they aren't doing their job. Do you like bert as a person so much that you think we should keep paying him 4 million dollars a year to win 6 games and go to Shreveport? Are you his cousin or something?
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So many threads about new coaches by Stonehog
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Does having Cornelius mean we win another game or 2? Nope
Having Pulley would.
As for your other points, I said our best players have been injured, which is a fact. You can try to spin it any way you want but we've had a lot of injuries to great players and that's not up for debate
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:18 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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hold up what game is pulley changing I wanna hear this.
A&M obviously.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:22 pm to Stonehog
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mean we win another game or 2?
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Having Pulley would.
He should be a top 15 pick in the draft making that sort of impact. I can't wait until he enters.
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You can try to spin it any way you want but we've had a lot of injuries to great players and that's not up for debate.
I'm not debating it. I'm debating it's impact.
If the Cleveland Browns best 3 players get hurt does it impact how their season goes?
Also, do you agree that AA injuries are directly related to the Oline play over the last 2 years?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:23 pm to Stonehog
Are you just trolling, or do you seriously believe this shite, man?
Bret Bielema has built an uncompetitive football team. The team WAS competitive in his first two seasons, and ever since has become less and less competitive. He is building a BAD football team before our very eyes, and these are facts.
ETA: and as long as I can remember following the Hogs that was the one thing our fanbase has seemed to hang on to. That our team fricking fights. They aren't even doing that anymore, save the Ole Miss game.
Bret Bielema has built an uncompetitive football team. The team WAS competitive in his first two seasons, and ever since has become less and less competitive. He is building a BAD football team before our very eyes, and these are facts.
ETA: and as long as I can remember following the Hogs that was the one thing our fanbase has seemed to hang on to. That our team fricking fights. They aren't even doing that anymore, save the Ole Miss game.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:26 pm to Stonehog
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A&M obviously.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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so has just about every other team in America it's football people get hurt.
I know, but usually coaches don't get fired if they have a bad season when all their best players are injured. That's what we have right now. If we can make a bowl with so many impact players going down it will be a miracle.
I just hope that the people saying they're going to abandon the program are just being emotional and don't really mean it. That would be pretty silly to stop supporting the team just because the coach didn't get fired.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:32 pm to Stonehog
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Stonehog
I can appreciate the opposing view point and independence from the groupthink, but there's really no use in fighting this battle right now either way when the ones doing the firing don't even know what they'll do yet. The injuries have bought him a little leeway, but he still has to finish with a 6-6 or better record to at least avoid setting the removal process in motion. In that instance they could look into firing him in depth and STILL decide to keep him for at least another year on a short leash, but they WILL discuss and make considerations.
If we finish 7-5 by some miracle they won't even consider it, 6-6 most likely too but a little more iffy. Regardless Long is "old school" and won't make a move before the season is over and he's really sure it's the right move. He'll put out the feelers before then (and already has a little) and the resulting interest he receives will play into his decision as well.
If you were just looking in on the program and CBBs tenure from the outside you could make the argument that hes slowly improving the team over his first 4 years and this year is just a temporary setback, which I guess is technically true. But the people who matter (whose everyday jobs involve the program and the BMDs) are REALLY bothered by the lack of player development, inept lines (particularly oline), and that fundamentals seem to regress year over year and that can't be blamed on injuries or fixed quickly.
Once these opinions take hold and permeate throughout the program, AD, and fanbase you might as well pack it up and move on because it's nearly impossible to reverse. That's basically where we're at right now.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:01 pm to Stonehog
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We saw consistent improvement for 4 years. This is a bump in the road and all of our best players are injured.
At what point does the current year "argument" become irrelevant? What if a coach does well for 9 years and then has a bad season in year 10? Should he be fired?
Let's completely disregard his shitshow of a first season so that his record looks better. Take 2013 out of it and he's 25-23 with a conference record of 11-18. And now in year 5 we've been trending down for 2 seasons. That's not good enough and he should be fired for it. I have no idea why anybody doesn't agree to that.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:04 pm to Stonehog
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Rawleigh Williams retired from football. He was the leading rusher in the SEC in 2016. That was a big loss.
Dre Greenlaw was injured all summer, along with Jared Cornelius.
Ryan Pulley was our best player on defense. Out for the season after game one and then we had to start a true freshman against TCU.
Kevin Richardson was out for A&M, and that's also when Cornelius got injured again.
Plus Austin which is kind of a big one. Combine all the injuries to our best players with a front loaded schedule and we had a bad start.
What are your excuses for both of our lines being horrible? Isn't that what Bielema's specialty is supposed to be?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:28 pm to Stonehog
quote:but AGAIN, what games would those injured players if healthy make a difference in? You named 1 game and that is highly questionable considering how bad a&m gashed us on the ground. I doubt pulley would've been a factor.
I know, but usually coaches don't get fired if they have a bad season when all their best players are injured
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:29 pm to Stonehog
I think Long is gambling with the fan base if he doesn't let Bielema go, but he may not. Injuries or not, we should be competitive in every game we play in year 5. Not only is that not the case, we have been embarrassingly bad on a regular basis. We can't even accidently beat aTm it seems. The Alabama and Auburn games have become impossible to watch.
The question quickly becomes, can you continue to watch embarrassing losses, and tell yourself the program isn't getting worse, instead of better? I think the answer for almost everyone is no. The program is not improving, and that's what the coach gets paid to do.
The question quickly becomes, can you continue to watch embarrassing losses, and tell yourself the program isn't getting worse, instead of better? I think the answer for almost everyone is no. The program is not improving, and that's what the coach gets paid to do.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:56 pm to Stonehog
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Ole Miss is a complete cluster frick.
quote:That's kind of the point. One is on the brink of the death penalty with an interim head coach and the other is in year 5 of the same head coach with great facilities and zero sanctions looming. See the problem?
So is Arkansas
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:07 pm to Drewbie
At this point I think stone is either a troll who isn't even a real hog fan or he's ones of those people who don't believe schools can be good at multiple sports and wants us to suck at football so we will focus on basketball
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
He is just trying to play devil's advocate a little too hard
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:36 pm to rockiee
I have really enjoyed this thread... does that make me a bad person? 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:49 pm to Razorback Reverend
Yes.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:59 pm to troyt37
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The question quickly becomes, can you continue to watch embarrassing losses, and tell yourself the program isn't getting worse, instead of better?
It's one bad season and it's not even over yet.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:25 pm to troyt37
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I think Long is gambling with the fan base if he doesn't let Bielema go, but he may not.
Gambling as in Suites and season ticket holders not renewing?
Season isn't even over yet. Coaching carousel hasn't even ramped up yet.
Hell, when Bert returns next year, I'll be able to upgrade my seats for cheap.
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