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re: Sam Pittman expectations
Posted on 12/5/20 at 8:55 pm to RazorBroncs
Posted on 12/5/20 at 8:55 pm to RazorBroncs
The loss today has no bearing on my beliefs on the Arkansas football program. I had this belief for a while. If Arkansas cared then Jeff Long would have been fired earlier, Bert should have been fired after the 2016 season and of all people Chad should never have stepped foot on campus. How in the hell did that happen?
Those decisions doesn't look like Arkansas made any effort at all.
Those decisions doesn't look like Arkansas made any effort at all.
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Posted on 12/5/20 at 8:55 pm to dchog
My expectations will be to improve again next season. Sam got 3 SEC wins in his first season which is 3 times as many Bert and Chaggie had the last 3 seasons. If we had played a little better vs Auburn and Missouri we could be sitting at 5 wins.
Next season, I expect the staff to build on this season and we should be knocking on bowl eligibility. Also, I expect them to make some changes on Special Teams. What a trainwreck they've been.
Next season, I expect the staff to build on this season and we should be knocking on bowl eligibility. Also, I expect them to make some changes on Special Teams. What a trainwreck they've been.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 8:57 pm to Beached Tusky
Just so there's no ambiguity here, you're claiming that the AD doesn't care about winning in the biggest sport on campus, in the state, in the conference, and in the United States?
The ONE sport that pays for literally every other one on campus? The one that pays the bills and funds the entire athletic department? They don't care about winning at THAT?
fricking Vanderbilt just fired their black HC at a time when it's reeeeally controversial, because he didn't win enough football games.
Every AD in this conference treats their football programs like the golden eggs they are, and every single one of them knows that winning brings in the big bucks. Even an "academic-forward" institution like Vandy.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:15 pm to Beached Tusky
Petrino would have brought 8-4/9-3/10-2 seasons at Arkansas. Think of Mike Gundy as an example. He did fire Willy Robinson and the defense was improved at the cotton Bowl.
Yes I don't see him winning 11 games a year but we wouldn't completely fall off the cliff. We would still be a top 25 program a year.
Yes when Nolan was fired, poor decisions were made and we endured almost 20 years of bad basketball. That doesn't sound like people would care when they let our basketball program get so bad. Again it all starts at the top.
Yes I don't see him winning 11 games a year but we wouldn't completely fall off the cliff. We would still be a top 25 program a year.
Yes when Nolan was fired, poor decisions were made and we endured almost 20 years of bad basketball. That doesn't sound like people would care when they let our basketball program get so bad. Again it all starts at the top.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:17 pm to TheCheshireHog
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What would you recommend? Completely serious.
It's really as simple as it's always been, it's just a matter of whether the people in leadership have the desire and the constitution to see it through to have success and national recognition. Most don't.
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The coach, in his first days on the job at one of college football's most prominent programs, walked into the office of the former staff's recruiting coordinator and stared at the big board. He asked who the most important player available was, and he was pointed toward a 5-star defensive lineman who was down to three schools.
The program was struggling, falling further behind its conference rivals and bleeding relevance with each passing day.
Sonofagun, he needed that kid.
Three days later, he had the recruit and his father in his office. The father plopped down on the sofa and laid out what it would take for this thirtysomething first-time head coach to earn his son's letter of intent. "His father told me it would take 'more than words,'" the coach remembers. "I said, 'I promise you there is nothing more valuable than my word.'
"He said to me, 'A man's word only holds as much weight as his wallet.'"
People don't want to acknowledge it. People don't want to talk about it.
Right or wrong Frank Broyles convinced Arkansas leadership to move the program into what ultimately has become the most competitive conference in college sports. There were plenty of reason$ it was the right thing to do.
I'll leave it to you to decide what Arkansas has done with that financial windfall ever since the move was finalized.
Frank said himself as soon as the paperwork was signed Arkansas made millions of dollars instantly by association.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:20 pm to TheCheshireHog
Every school in the SEC except Vandy has the potential to compete at a high level. The question is how much want does a school have?
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:20 pm to RazorBroncs
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Just so there's no ambiguity here, you're claiming that the AD doesn't care about winning in the biggest sport on campus, in the state, in the conference, and in the United States?
The ONE sport that pays for literally every other one on campus? The one that pays the bills and funds the entire athletic department? They don't care about winning at THAT?
I'll happily bite.
No ambiguity.
Yurachek cares a whole lot more about excessive losing than he does about really winning.
Prove me wrong.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:25 pm to dchog
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I really do like Sam but he isn't going to average 9/10 wins a year here.
and where exactly did I say that... I said, He would win 9-10 in the next 3 years...
Which is the most respectability we have had since Petrino flung his harlot on a harley.
Yep, I do believe Sam will get us there. All it will take is for him to recruit and coach up the lines and we would be there with the correct QB and OC. I believe we have the QB and OC presently to do this with the improvement on the lines FWIW!
This has been a crazy season. I would have settled for 1 SEC prior to the season beginning knowing how we werent allowed the spring like other programs because of covid, knowing that we were doing an all SEC schedule, knowing what little depth we had, knowing it was his first year. But in stead we had 3 wins, and it took some miraculous SEC officiating not to have 5. And that was with some many players out for Covid, Opting out, and injuries.
Sam has done incredible for his 1st season, and it will only improve for he isn't the type for settling for less. Just wait and watch thankfully friends. I know this to be the case.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:39 pm to Razorback Reverend
I don't see Sam having a 9 or 10 win season. He has a lot of work to do and it is going to take more than three years for his team to be competitive in the SEC at a high level.
I just can't judge what a coach can do in his first season and determine what the future will be like. Nutt went 6-2 in the SEC in his first year and look how that turned out. But he is very capable of getting us to a minor bowl each year.
I just can't judge what a coach can do in his first season and determine what the future will be like. Nutt went 6-2 in the SEC in his first year and look how that turned out. But he is very capable of getting us to a minor bowl each year.
This post was edited on 12/5/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:44 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Yep, I do believe Sam will get us there. All it will take is for him to recruit and coach up the lines and we would be there with the correct QB and OC. I believe we have the QB and OC presently to do this with the improvement on the lines FWIW!
Sam has done incredible for his 1st season, and it will only improve for he isn't the type for settling for less. Just wait and watch thankfully friends. I know this to be the case.
Look I'm pretty sure we all want this to be the case... we've been blessed/cursed with being born fans of this program... it was ingrained into us culturally since we were children.
We currently have exactly one 3* DL committed... who I hope is All-American, but his best competing offers are from TTech, Iowa State and Kansas.
Where is all this help coming from? Maybe you noticed which side of the ball we lost the game today on?
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:50 pm to Beached Tusky
Sam is doing a good job in recruiting but it will take years like Clemson did in recruiting for Arkansas to be a real threat in the SEC. It takes a lot of time but it can be done.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:54 pm to dchog
It took Clemson exactly 'not long at all' to recruit at a high level once Dabo became the HC.
Does that guy really strike you as someone winning the hearts and minds of recruit's parents because of his fatherly mentor skills or his coaching acumen?
For clarity - In two years Dabo took Clemson's recruiting and built the #10 ranked class in the country.
Less than half of the players in that class were from SC.
Does that guy really strike you as someone winning the hearts and minds of recruit's parents because of his fatherly mentor skills or his coaching acumen?
For clarity - In two years Dabo took Clemson's recruiting and built the #10 ranked class in the country.
Less than half of the players in that class were from SC.
This post was edited on 12/5/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:59 pm to Beached Tusky
I dont know but he is doing something right.
Clemson was the poster child of mediocrity before he was hired. Now they are a powerhouse.
Clemson was the poster child of mediocrity before he was hired. Now they are a powerhouse.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:59 pm to rockiee
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Its a perfect example of where we are now compared to the last two years.
It kind of just proves how much Sam has moved the program from 0-16.
This.
I like it that people (myself included) are pissed off after a loss. Last year we were getting the doors blown off of us by the likes of Western Kentucky and I couldn't help but just laugh at what a clown college this program had become.
Fast forward to this year and we're *much* more competitive than I thought we'd be, with a couple of SEC wins, near misses, and referee bed shittings, all with a roster that one anonymous SEC coach said before the season "looked like the program was hit by sanctions." I'm actually glad that I'm mad as hell after a loss.
To OP's question, my expectation is for Pittman to pull this program out of the shitter it's been in for the better part of a decade, knock the bitch off this roster and instill some toughness in a locker room that had a lot of quit in it for much of that period, and get us back to respectability. The latter matters in a future coaching search, since absolutely no one wanted this job after Bert and Jeff Long burned this program to the ground and Chad Morris pissed on the ashes.
This post was edited on 12/5/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:05 pm to Feral
If Pittman gets the players he can win a lot of games.
It's clear he can motivate players who've known nothing but failure in college football to play hard and persevere.
He can't get the players on his own.
It's clear he can motivate players who've known nothing but failure in college football to play hard and persevere.
He can't get the players on his own.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:23 pm to Beached Tusky
In 3 more years... I will stick with my projection.
He would then have time to recruit to the needs specified, he would be able to further instill the confidence/toughness needed as well.
Can you imagine the success this season with a better oline in the first few games alone, couple that with actually being able to have had spring practice...
This is an anomaly of a season for sure, and he has won 3 sec games in this crapshoot of all crapshoots.
Let me ask you this? Prior to the season beginning, covid, 1st year, new QB here, the talent on this roster, etc. What was your prediction with a normal season?
What was your SEC prediction?
hmmm
He would then have time to recruit to the needs specified, he would be able to further instill the confidence/toughness needed as well.
Can you imagine the success this season with a better oline in the first few games alone, couple that with actually being able to have had spring practice...
This is an anomaly of a season for sure, and he has won 3 sec games in this crapshoot of all crapshoots.
Let me ask you this? Prior to the season beginning, covid, 1st year, new QB here, the talent on this roster, etc. What was your prediction with a normal season?
What was your SEC prediction?
hmmm
Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:36 pm to Beached Tusky
That is always the big question, can Sam get the players?
Posted on 12/5/20 at 10:53 pm to dchog
If he can keep Briles and Odom for the next 3 seasons we will be one salty football team. Depth is the reason we have petered out at the end of the season but with a real off-season and spring under our belts along with this years signing class I expect this team to give most opponents a run for thier money next season and the years to come!
Posted on 12/5/20 at 11:03 pm to Beached Tusky
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It took Clemson exactly 'not long at all' to recruit at a high level once Dabo became the HC.
There’s no doubt HY went the cheap route with Pittman. We loss bidding wars on Campbell, Kiffin and drink. But Dabo was equally a non splash hire at the time. So was coach O, Gus, Pruitt, and Boom.
I was expecting 2 wins or so this year, so I’m not down on Pittman, but closing out the year on a 4 game losing streak is not a good look. The defense has certainly regressed.
His recruiting is at our standard level. We’ll finish somewhere in the 20s this year like we always do.
Going forward I expect 6-8 wins a year assuming he doesn’t make a bad hire at one of the coordinator positions.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:00 am to Poker_hog
The four game losing streak reeks of the Nutt and Bert years. The Missouri meltdown reminded me so much of the 2016 Missouri game. It just gives that terrible feeling that is all to familiar.
I don't expect recruiting to change but he still has a chance that he can do it.
Yes he should be a 6-8 win a year coach.
I don't expect recruiting to change but he still has a chance that he can do it.
Yes he should be a 6-8 win a year coach.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 12:01 am
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