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re: Please don’t make fun of Barry!
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:31 pm to FayetteNAM
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:31 pm to FayetteNAM
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Didn’t Sam admit he called that?
He didn't say he singlehandedly called it, he made it sound like they both agreed on it
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Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:35 pm to rockiee
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The straw man wasn't that he doesn't recurit. The straw man was acting like posters here will not criticize him.
There is a few, me being one, but mostly it’s Kendall “Briars” he ain’t know his arse from a hole in the ground. He likes that razzle dazzles… it’s never “Name one person besides Myles Slusher that Odom has recruited.”
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:37 pm to FayetteNAM
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It took Bobby for you to realize the bend don’t break bullshite defense isn’t good?
No. Just calling out that those offensive systems that pass to the middle 3rd of the field will continue feasting until we can adjust.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:43 pm to FayetteNAM
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There is a few, me being one, but mostly it’s Kendall “Briars” he ain’t know his arse from a hole in the ground. He likes that razzle dazzles… it’s never “Name one person besides Myles Slusher that Odom has recruited.”
Idk, I see people going after both depending on the game.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:43 pm to FayetteNAM
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If you don’t know that recruiting is the majority of the job, then why are you even on a college sport forum?
If it's 90% of the job, then you have 99.8% of all coaches who aren't getting the job done, because 99.8% of them aren't doing it in the same stratosphere as Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Dabo Sweeney. We also have this cool new stuff happening called the transfer portal and NIL, which is changing the game of college football before our very eyes, especially the recruiting game. I'll ignore that you've gone from 90% to the majority of the job, and just ask you, if you don't know that some coaches recruit more successfully than others, why are you even on a college sports forum?
The truth is, a D1 college coach has to be good at a lot of things, and it is damn few of them that don't have glaring weaknesses in at least some areas. Briles is absolutely brilliant at times, and seems to recruit well. He is also good for at least 2 complete bonehead series per game, and sometimes an entire half.
Odom recruits like shite, but on the whole our defenses have been better the last 3 years with the exception of a year under Bert, and a year under Petrino. You have to go all the way back to a year or two under Nutt or even further back to find better.
So like I said to begin with, we don't have to throw anyone under the bus at this point. We are 3-0 and ranked #10 in the country. Let it play, see what happens.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:46 pm to FayetteNAM
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There is a few, me being one, but mostly it’s Kendall “Briars” he ain’t know his arse from a hole in the ground. He likes that razzle dazzles… it’s never “Name one person besides Myles Slusher that Odom has recruited.”
He recruited McGlothern and Brini this past offseason out of the portal.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:47 pm to troyt37
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If it's 90% of the job, then you have 99.8% of all coaches who aren't getting the job done, because 99.8% of them aren't doing it in the same stratosphere as Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Dabo Sweeney
You can't compare coaches who are in completely different situations. A coach who takes over for a program that mostly recruits in the 50s and starts landing top 35-40 classes is doing his job. Getting us to the 15-20 range consistently would be amazing.
But I do agree Odom has mostly done a good job. The depth in the secondary is pretty poor though.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:47 pm to FayetteNAM
Didn't expect a Monday melt from someone who doesn't understand recruiting and how the program actually works.
Positional coaches do the majority of recruiting with help from Pittman and the coordinators along with the recruiting staff.
Obviously Briles only has to recruit 1 QB a year.
Jimmy Smith recruits RBs. Kenny Guiton recruits WRs. Dowell Loggins recruits TE and other offensive skill positions. Cody Kennedy recruits OL.
Deke Adams recruits EDGE/DL. Michael Scherer recruits LB. Dominique Bowman recruits CB/S/NB and Odom assists where needed especially on visits to campus or in-home/school campus.
Scott Fountain recruits specialist and athletes.
Our program Briles and Odom run each side of the ball and have control at practices so they stay around the program more than other programs where the HC might call plays or have more of a say.
Secondary is easy to see as we lost two starters to LSU with the Carter situation, our All-American/All-SEC safety out for second consecutive year is now likely done with football and another starter out in Slusher but returning soon.
Odom did address the transfer portal taking McGlothern from LSU and Brini from Georgia. He had a big role in landing both during the offseason.
3-0, top ten team with one hell of a schedule and injuries everywhere.
Our next 5 game stretch is brutal.
Enjoy the success for once.
Positional coaches do the majority of recruiting with help from Pittman and the coordinators along with the recruiting staff.
Obviously Briles only has to recruit 1 QB a year.
Jimmy Smith recruits RBs. Kenny Guiton recruits WRs. Dowell Loggins recruits TE and other offensive skill positions. Cody Kennedy recruits OL.
Deke Adams recruits EDGE/DL. Michael Scherer recruits LB. Dominique Bowman recruits CB/S/NB and Odom assists where needed especially on visits to campus or in-home/school campus.
Scott Fountain recruits specialist and athletes.
Our program Briles and Odom run each side of the ball and have control at practices so they stay around the program more than other programs where the HC might call plays or have more of a say.
Secondary is easy to see as we lost two starters to LSU with the Carter situation, our All-American/All-SEC safety out for second consecutive year is now likely done with football and another starter out in Slusher but returning soon.
Odom did address the transfer portal taking McGlothern from LSU and Brini from Georgia. He had a big role in landing both during the offseason.
3-0, top ten team with one hell of a schedule and injuries everywhere.
Our next 5 game stretch is brutal.
Enjoy the success for once.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:50 pm to Porcine Human
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He didn't say he singlehandedly called it, he made it sound like they both agreed on it
From his halftime remarks, I think it’s safe to say it was Kendall’s call and he was not happy with it at all.
But Pittman’s too much of a professional to call someone out like that in the postgame presser. He knows that ultimately every decision Kendall makes, he has to own it because he’s the boss. So no I don’t think Sam had anything to do with that call but he took the heat for it.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:51 pm to Porcine Human
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But I do agree Odom has mostly done a good job. The depth in the secondary is pretty poor though.
Mostly done a good job of having them ready to play. Had them in place to make plays… hasn’t got the people here that are required to actually make those plays.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 1:59 pm to RazorHawg
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Deke Adams recruits EDGE/DL. Michael Scherer recruits LB. Dominique Bowman recruits CB/S/NB and Odom assists where needed especially on visits to campus or in-home/school campus.
So he just assists? He doesn’t do any actual recruiting? Other than 2 from the transfer portal, that we give him full credit for because they are good?
Is there not one position he recruits by himself? I mean Briles is out there on WR and QBs. Our defense is just so complicated that he can’t tear himself away?
Maybe you are 100% correct and Odom is the best person and just out there closing everyone just not getting credit for it, at any location he has ever been at.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:14 pm to Porcine Human
That Missouri State QB is pretty good and better than that QB at Missouri.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:19 pm to FayetteNAM
The position coaches do all the recruiting, go all to these road trips. The OC or DC approve of these potential recruits that gets kicked up to the head coach to determine if that player should be offered or not. Then it is a wait and see if the offer is commmitable as if the staff finds someone better.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:39 pm to FayetteNAM
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this is as good as it gets,
I'd like to think we could be much better in the secondary.
The advantage for Bama Georgia etc. is that they can rotate high level defensive lineman in and out the whole game and get pressure with 4. That will always make your DBs look much better. We normally struggle in that area.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:46 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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I'd like to think we could be much better in the secondary. The advantage for Bama Georgia etc. is that they can rotate high level defensive lineman in and out the whole game and get pressure with 4. That will always make your DBs look much better. We normally struggle in that area.
I think we can do much better recruiting over all. I don’t think we are going to consistently beat Bama or Georgia, but I do believe we could keep in the top 10 of recruiting. Especially with NIL. Hell even Muss and DVH are doing it.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:54 pm to FayetteNAM
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Mostly done a good job of having them ready to play. Had them in place to make plays… hasn’t got the people here that are required to actually make those plays.
I went back to take a look at who we have recruited for our secondary since Odom was hired, just to get an idea of why we are so thin. I don't know most of these kid's story, besides the names we all recognize.
2020
Myles Slusher 4* S
Nick Turner 3* S
Khari Johnson 3* CB
Martaveous Brown CB
Jerry Jacobs CB
2021
Keuan Parker 3* CB
Chase Lowrey 3* CB
Trent Gordon 3* CB
2022
Anthony Brown 3* S
Jaylen Lewis 3* CB
Brini Xfer
McGlothern Xfer
So that's 12 bodies. I don't know which ones didn't make it, transferred out, etc., and I couldn't tell you if that is just too few, or what. Anyone?
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:58 pm to FayetteNAM
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Hell even Muss and DVH are doing it.
Entirely different beast to recruit all together.
Roster size, attrition, recent history bias.. dude!
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:59 pm to FayetteNAM
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but I do believe we could keep in the top 10 of recruiting. Especially with NIL. Hell even Muss and DVH are doing it.
No offense but saying this tells me you don't know what you're talking about. Teams don't just jump in and out of top 10 recruiting classes in football, there are some mainstays who are pretty much there all of the time, and most programs have a range where they recruit at (which is mostly determined by demographics and how close they are to talent) with coaches moving the needle a little bit one way or the other. There are exceptions but this is the rule.
Look at Arkansas high school football player production and tell me we can somehow recruit in the top 10. We actually produce a lot of basketball talent and have a higher profile program than we do in football. Even our shite coaches have pulled in good classes.
NIL can help us, but while we like to brag about our money, it doesn't seem like we have tons of wealthy boosters ready to spend on NIL outside of basketball. NIL for football is also more expensive just because the classes are larger.
We will never recruit in the top 10.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/19/22 at 3:16 pm to Porcine Human
I would never say never in anything. If given enough time and Arkansas keeps winning and don't have bad hires then it can happen.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 3:19 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Georgia has a 20 year advantage in coaching, recruiting and player development.
Arkansas keeps putting themselves in a perpetual rebuild year after year.
Arkansas keeps putting themselves in a perpetual rebuild year after year.
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