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re: member when Arkansas win ceiling wasn't 8 games

Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 11/13/16 at 3:18 pm to
A big reason he's one of the best players in college football is because of how perrin coached him. This isn't the rant I was hoping you wouldn't resort t trolling but I see you refuse to be wrong. Petrino is a good coach. A shitty person but a damn good football coach. Again, if you go tell anyone that yes not 99/100 are gonna laugh on your face. I promise you if he gets any job in the sec west where we have to.play him on a yearly basis and we keep Bret we will lose way more than we win against him because he is the better coach.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43590 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:43 pm to
If he is a result of coaching, why didn't any number of the dual threat QBs he recruited pan out here?

He coached three of them just as long as he has his current one, none saw meaningful time on on the field here.

He's been obsessed with the dual threat QB since his first time while at Louisville, so there is way more to it than coaching as he's been trying to find this guy for a while now.

If it is just coaching he should have no problem replacing him, and your being very dishonest if you think that won't be as big of a problem as Auburn has had replacing Cam.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/13/16 at 4:55 pm to
He will have a huge problem because what he can do with his legs most cant. But if you haven't figured it out by now that Bobby p fan develop a high powered passing attack then idk what to tell you. Yes talent has a lot to do with it and Lamar would be good no matter where he's at but as we saw with the transformation from chaney to Enos with ba and Bobby p to John l with the Wilson coaching is a big part of it as well.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43590 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 5:00 pm to
No, you said it was all coaching.

Let me simplify it for you.

Petrino's recruiting falling into the 40s-50s nationally, last in the west was not going to sustain success in conference let alone in the the ever increasing level of play seen in the SEC West.

No amount of coaching can over take that disparity in talent levels. And we are not even getting into the amount of attrition effecting his program here.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18319 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 5:09 pm to
Let me simplify this for you. He would always have a decent offense idgaf what the rankings say. And we saw how his players turned out in '14 on defense. We would've won a lot of games that year with him as the coach. I don't give a damn what the recruiting rankings are
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43590 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 5:17 pm to
Let me say this slowly so you maybe can keep up.

Offense.

Has.

Not.

Been.

The.

Problem.

The

Last

Two

Seasons

Yet

the

ceiling

has

been

8-9

wins.

Your circular logic being used isn't working.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18319 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 6:38 pm to
Where did I say the offense was the problem last year? I said he would have down years where we dip to 7-8 wins but that the hears that we did have a good defense (like 14) we would make a big run. And that's all I want. Every 3 or 4 years to win 9 or 10 games in the regular season. I don't think that's asking too much.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43590 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 6:46 pm to
Petrino's recruiting was heading to at or below average talent on both sides of the ball.

He inherited slightly above average talent and won 5 games in a weaker SEC than it is now.

Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18319 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 6:47 pm to
Do you think Bert is going to get us to 10 wins next year or even the year after?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43590 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 7:10 pm to
Well lets examine what it will take to get to 10 wins in the current SEC West.

OOC has to be scheduled as 4 wins. 3 wins and one toss up at worst. Scheduling top 10 teams is not needed, Arkansas will play more than enough in conference during the season to pump up the SOS.

2017
Florida A&M - Win

TCU - borderline team referenced above as not needed to be scheduled, ever, but they weren't what they are now when they were scheduled. Home game so should be a win.

Bye - again shitty scheduling, the bye has to be mid-October every year for Arkansas, to early and the depth issues show late, to late and depth issues show early.

Aggy - has been a winnable game sans the JFF year, for the sake of this argument it must be win.

NMSU - historically a shitty program and team, kinda defacto bye week. Win

SCAR - feels like forever since we played them, still too soon. Muschamp got progressively worse the longer he was at Florida, no sense in that trend reversing itself now. Win

BAMA followed by Auburn.

Thanks SEC, Bama softens us up and Auburn comes in for Gus's Superbowl the following week. Likely 0-2, but Auburn faces LSU and has a bye to look forward to the following week.

So at the half way point 5-1, then 5-2.

OM - for whatever reason the staff hasn't struggled against their offense or defense, the talent is only declining and the NCAA has set up shop in town. Win

CCU - Win, another defacto bye. Only saving grace with the early by is the easy games are spread out during the season.

So 7-2 going into November

LSU, again will be coming off a loss to Bama, too hard to say what their situation will be a year from now, so based on talent a loss.

Ms. State, similar situation, they could improve or they could be much of the same based on Mullen pre-dak and not having a Dak at QB currently, home game so Win.

Mizzou, I'm just not seeing them being vastly improved next year and again at home so Win.

Finish 9-3.

So yes it is possible for Bert to hit 10 wins.

He has to win all the OOC games for 4 wins, win a favorable, in comparison to years past, SEC schedule. Beat the Mississippi teams then steal two of the group of pre-yearly melt down aggy, Auburn, Bama, and LSU.

That formula isn't going to change much going forward. What will happen is the competitiveness is going to cost a few teams in the west to shoot themselves in the foot with coaching changes. LSU may have done it, we will have to see who they hire. Aggy and Auburn still could load up the chamber and take a shot this year. The NCAA may pull the trigger for OM. Mullen could realize its a dead end job and jump ship.

The point is with the level of play in the SEC and the schedule the SEC has given over the past decade, we would be having this conversation no matter who the HC was at this time.



Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18319 posts
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:20 pm to
Ok. You think bert cam achieve that then ok. Oh and btw a Bama fan on the rant in the thread regarding the spread between Bama and the Browns said in passing that the 2012 Bama squad was hands down better than this one. And everyone knows 2011 was better than they were
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
10302 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 11:29 am to
I member when you didnt post here. That was pretty neat.
Posted by Woopigsooie20
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 11:51 am to
quote:

And we saw how his players turned out in '14 on defense.


And we saw them with Paul Haynes or whatever coaching them. Not good.
Posted by Snizzzo
Stankonia
Member since Oct 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:32 am to
quote:

The 10' 11' teams



What are these 10 and 11 foot teams of which you speak?
Posted by Snizzzo
Stankonia
Member since Oct 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:52 am to
Seriously, yes I do. I'm old enough to remember playing Rice, SMU, Baylor, Tech, Houston and TCU every year. Maybe we can petition the WAC to let us in?
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