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Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:10 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:10 am to Hog on the Hill
the latest in the saga too late hog beat me to it.
my family owns a few businesses so i've tried to sit back and think from both sides. i firmly believe we should have the right to tell a customer to get the hell out (based on such things as they don't pay, they're a jerk when they're in or whatever such as that). i just can't stand the way this law reads that it's a religious thing. i find that insulting somehow. the God i believe in doesn't give a flip about sexuality or color or anything of the like, in fact he's rolling his eyes at the use of religion being the scapegoat for simple prejudices.
my family owns a few businesses so i've tried to sit back and think from both sides. i firmly believe we should have the right to tell a customer to get the hell out (based on such things as they don't pay, they're a jerk when they're in or whatever such as that). i just can't stand the way this law reads that it's a religious thing. i find that insulting somehow. the God i believe in doesn't give a flip about sexuality or color or anything of the like, in fact he's rolling his eyes at the use of religion being the scapegoat for simple prejudices.
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:37 am to piggilicious
Asa seems to be more pragmatic and have a cooler head than the Blimp Ballinger.
Meanwhile, Hutchinson said, he's considering signing an executive order that bars discrimination among the state's workforce.
"The issue has become divisive because our nation remains split on how to balance the diversity of our culture with the traditions and firmly held religious convictions," Hutchinson said. "It has divided families, and there is clearly a generational gap on this issue."
Case in point, Hutchinson said: His son Seth signed a petition asking him to veto the bill -- and also gave his father permission to tell reporters he'd done so.
Hutchinson said he supports Arkansas adding a religious freedom law to its books -- but he wants it to directly mirror the federal version that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993.
"We wanted to have it crafted similar to what is at the federal level," Hutchinson said. "To do that, though, changes need to be made. The bill that is on my desk at the present time does not precisely mirror the federal law."
Meanwhile, Hutchinson said, he's considering signing an executive order that bars discrimination among the state's workforce.
"The issue has become divisive because our nation remains split on how to balance the diversity of our culture with the traditions and firmly held religious convictions," Hutchinson said. "It has divided families, and there is clearly a generational gap on this issue."
Case in point, Hutchinson said: His son Seth signed a petition asking him to veto the bill -- and also gave his father permission to tell reporters he'd done so.
Hutchinson said he supports Arkansas adding a religious freedom law to its books -- but he wants it to directly mirror the federal version that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993.
"We wanted to have it crafted similar to what is at the federal level," Hutchinson said. "To do that, though, changes need to be made. The bill that is on my desk at the present time does not precisely mirror the federal law."
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:25 pm to piggilicious
quote:I absolutely agree, businesses should be able to refuse service and deny access to their premises to anyone on the basis that the person is acting like an a-hole.
my family owns a few businesses so i've tried to sit back and think from both sides. i firmly believe we should have the right to tell a customer to get the hell out (based on such things as they don't pay, they're a jerk when they're in or whatever such as that). i just can't stand the way this law reads that it's a religious thing. i find that insulting somehow. the God i believe in doesn't give a flip about sexuality or color or anything of the like, in fact he's rolling his eyes at the use of religion being the scapegoat for simple prejudices.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:39 pm to Person of interest
Republicans just trying to ease the barriers to separation of church and state so we can be more like Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc., countries that have been very successful with this approach.
Mud huts are very underrated.
Mud huts are very underrated.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:45 pm to Person of interest
If we're going to have a state law that mirrors exactly the federal law, then what's the point of even making it a state law?
The other issue here is that if they don't amend it and Hutchinson doesn't veto it, then it goes into effect after 5 days. So, Asa could just be playing coward and allowing this thing to pass through inaction, letting the legislature take the political fallout. We'll see.
The other issue here is that if they don't amend it and Hutchinson doesn't veto it, then it goes into effect after 5 days. So, Asa could just be playing coward and allowing this thing to pass through inaction, letting the legislature take the political fallout. We'll see.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:48 pm to hogfly
I think his primary motivation has been watching Indiana's Gov stick his dick in the fan and not wanting any part of it.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:50 pm to hogfly
I don't have a problem with the spirit of the law... but I don't like the possibilities of Religion being used to discriminate and I think we all know that will happen. I would be for pretty much anything that protects the rights of Christians but this doesn't feel like that. It feels more like a 30 year step back in time. My God loves sinners and hates the sin. This law would allow business owners to basically "pass judgement" on people in regards to their business. Don't like that part of it.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 12:52 pm to Person of interest
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I think his primary motivation has been watching Indiana's Gov stick his dick in the fan and not wanting any part of it
honestly, me too but oh well whatever works i suppose. 
Posted on 4/1/15 at 1:22 pm to Person of interest
That and his son signed the petition
I think it's hilarious that a bill designed to protect businesses that refuse service to LGBT folks is becoming a bill that explicitly protects LGBT folks, which is really important because we don't have a law that does.
Irony.
I think it's hilarious that a bill designed to protect businesses that refuse service to LGBT folks is becoming a bill that explicitly protects LGBT folks, which is really important because we don't have a law that does.
Irony.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:30 pm to BarkRuffalo
what they are trying to do is basically run liberals out of the state, divide and conquer. they don't want liberals in the state of Arkansas. They don't want liberals coming to the state of arkansas.
ensuring that they are reelected time and time again
ensuring that they are reelected time and time again
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:48 pm to vengeanceofrain
I think you are right, that is how this crop of whackos thinks.
Too bad for them most of the jobs and money in this state comes from people who, when compared to Rapert, Ballinger and all the other fatfrick teapartiers, are "liberal".
Too bad for them most of the jobs and money in this state comes from people who, when compared to Rapert, Ballinger and all the other fatfrick teapartiers, are "liberal".
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:15 pm to Numberwang
This has all been much ado about basically nothing.
Oversensationalized by the media, misinformation and propaganda spread by the 'offended'....
People bleating like sheep about something they haven't even read, in the name of being 'against discrimination'.
Even as written, the chances of discrimination were extremely small, NO services were not going to be available to anybody.
Suppose someone does NOT want to participate or have any kind of hand in a same sex marriage. If their religious beliefs don't recognize same sex unions as 'marriage', then for every one business that that might opt out, there would 100 that be willing to do so. SO DO BUSINESS WITH THE ONES THAT WILL AND QUIT BEING PISSY AND BUTTHURT ABOUND THE VERY FEW THAT WON'T.
Oversensationalized by the media, misinformation and propaganda spread by the 'offended'....
People bleating like sheep about something they haven't even read, in the name of being 'against discrimination'.
Even as written, the chances of discrimination were extremely small, NO services were not going to be available to anybody.
Suppose someone does NOT want to participate or have any kind of hand in a same sex marriage. If their religious beliefs don't recognize same sex unions as 'marriage', then for every one business that that might opt out, there would 100 that be willing to do so. SO DO BUSINESS WITH THE ONES THAT WILL AND QUIT BEING PISSY AND BUTTHURT ABOUND THE VERY FEW THAT WON'T.
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:22 pm to WonderWartHawg
What pisses me off is not so much the bill but it shows what they ARENT doing i.e governing.
The state of Arkansas has real issues. There are no high tech jobs. So if you grow up, and you're in the tech field there is about a 90% chance that you're gonna leave the state, and there goes another tax paying person to another state. While leaving behind poor people who have to depend on the government more and more. Why not pass some shite that's gonna help bring more high tech jobs to the state?
The state needs some road work done on the highways BAD. Nothing
You can't buy alcohol in half the states lol. Conway could do much more shite if they put 1-2 liquor stores in Conway and everyone had to stop driving to Maumelle to buy alcohol
Half of little rock is a war zone. I'm FROM little rock and I'm telling you half of it I won't even go to. Unless I want some good drugs
But they waste their time on this bullshite. Like you said it's nothing really but that's the point. It's nothing. It's not gonna help anyone nor is it gonna really hurt anyone. It's not gonna do anything but get liberals out of the state
The state of Arkansas has real issues. There are no high tech jobs. So if you grow up, and you're in the tech field there is about a 90% chance that you're gonna leave the state, and there goes another tax paying person to another state. While leaving behind poor people who have to depend on the government more and more. Why not pass some shite that's gonna help bring more high tech jobs to the state?
The state needs some road work done on the highways BAD. Nothing
You can't buy alcohol in half the states lol. Conway could do much more shite if they put 1-2 liquor stores in Conway and everyone had to stop driving to Maumelle to buy alcohol
Half of little rock is a war zone. I'm FROM little rock and I'm telling you half of it I won't even go to. Unless I want some good drugs
But they waste their time on this bullshite. Like you said it's nothing really but that's the point. It's nothing. It's not gonna help anyone nor is it gonna really hurt anyone. It's not gonna do anything but get liberals out of the state
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:36 pm to vengeanceofrain
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Conway could do much more shite if they put 1-2 liquor stores in Conway and everyone had to stop driving to Maumelle to buy alcohol
that's a conway thing tho- their own city/county whatever problem.
i was living there at the beginning of when places finally started getting liquor licenses (besides the supper club and the vfw that is). i'll never forget the letters to the editor of the log cabin- some saying that the next thing you know soccer moms would be driving drunk after school and killing kids.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:36 pm to vengeanceofrain
Another thing that won't get much, if any, media attention is the incredible hypocrisy of Apple.
While calling for these bills to be vetoed because of potential discrimination against LGBT's in Arkansas, Indiana et al, they are quietly opening Apple Stores in Saudi Arabia. Know how LGBT's are treated in Saudi Arabia?
Yet this will go untrumpeted by media, Axciom or any other organizations concerned with 'civil rights.'
While calling for these bills to be vetoed because of potential discrimination against LGBT's in Arkansas, Indiana et al, they are quietly opening Apple Stores in Saudi Arabia. Know how LGBT's are treated in Saudi Arabia?
Yet this will go untrumpeted by media, Axciom or any other organizations concerned with 'civil rights.'
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:51 pm to WonderWartHawg
Arkansas isn't Saudi Arabia, yet.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 5:02 pm to Person of interest
When women get stoned in Arkansas, it's not quite the same as when they get stoned in Saudi Arabia.
But that's all good with Apple.
But that's all good with Apple.
This post was edited on 4/1/15 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 4/1/15 at 5:30 pm to WonderWartHawg
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While calling for these bills to be vetoed because of potential discrimination against LGBT's in Arkansas, Indiana et al, they are quietly opening Apple Stores in Saudi Arabia. Know how LGBT's are treated in Saudi Arabia?
Yet this will go untrumpeted by media, Axciom or any other organizations concerned with 'civil rights.'
Looks like these are the right wing talking points on the issue, since this is posted all over the PoliBoard too.
Seems odd to me to go defending this bill but some people have to pick a side and go along with it no matter what.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:59 pm to WonderWartHawg
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This has all been much ado about basically nothing.
Oversensationalized by the media, misinformation and propaganda spread by the 'offended'....
People bleating like sheep about something they haven't even read, in the name of being 'against discrimination'.
Even as written, the chances of discrimination were extremely small, NO services were not going to be available to anybody.
Suppose someone does NOT want to participate or have any kind of hand in a same sex marriage. If their religious beliefs don't recognize same sex unions as 'marriage', then for every one business that that might opt out, there would 100 that be willing to do so. SO DO BUSINESS WITH THE ONES THAT WILL AND QUIT BEING PISSY AND BUTTHURT ABOUND THE VERY FEW THAT WON'T.
Speaking of misinformation..
The premise behind the bill is that people won't be "forced" to do work for those who they do not feel is right with their god.
The main two examples was Doctors and Lawyers.
Neither of these two are "forced" to do work for everyone, I've had Lawyers refuse to take me as a client in the past.
I've had doctors who have refused to treat me, which again is fine.
In both examples there were plenty of other professionals available to meet my needs, neither ar "forced" to do work for anyone they do not want too.
The other example was interesting as it was teachers. I know one of one professor who is openly gay, full limp wrist holding a small dog wearing bright colors cliche type gay who works/worked for a private Christian University. This school also employed an open Atheist. They were forced to hire neither one, plenty of other applicants for those positions.
What the bill will allow is business discrimination, not only from in state businesses refusing to serve: Bi-Racial couples/individuals, sluts/whores, Divorcees, chronic master baiters, foul mouthed individuals, those who worship the wrong god, etc and oh yeah the gays.
It will also lead to discrimination for businesses based in this state by people form outside this state. Simply put they will not buy goods or pay for services produced by this state.
First they came for the...
Posted on 4/1/15 at 9:38 pm to WonderWartHawg
quote:Most Arkansans live in very small towns, so no, there won't be 100 other options for a person to use. In some cases, there may be literally no other options nearby.
Suppose someone does NOT want to participate or have any kind of hand in a same sex marriage. If their religious beliefs don't recognize same sex unions as 'marriage', then for every one business that that might opt out, there would 100 that be willing to do so. SO DO BUSINESS WITH THE ONES THAT WILL AND QUIT BEING PISSY AND BUTTHURT ABOUND THE VERY FEW THAT WON'T.
And lol at you characterizing people who are discriminated against as being "pissy and butthurt"
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