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Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:10 pm to Hawgeye
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:10 pm to Hawgeye
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I am not sure those guys are Portis and Kingsley either.
I'm pretty sure they are.
BJ needs to go pro, I want him gone and off the team. He is a cancer in the locker room with a shitty attitude, so damn inconsistent because he shoots about as well as a blind man from the outside and FT line, I don't know why people act like OMFG BJ IS GUNA LEAVE WE GUN' SUCK NEX YUR, no, not at all, will probably improve because BJ is gone.
Powell needs to stay to give us a big than can play the 3 and pop out and drain a 3 and tear apart a zone with his excellent jump shot.
Powell at the 3, Kingsley at C, and Portis at PF with Mickelson and Coty subbing in would be a fantastic front court.
Kingsley will be a ball hawk down low on defense, clogging the lane and altering penetration while being aggressive and pound the class, something Mickelson was expected to do, only not as well as Kingsley is. Think of Kingsley as what Mickelson was supposed to be at his best, then make him a better all around defensive player, but take away the decent shot at the other end.
Portis will rebound a little, but is the opposite of Kings. Portis is going to score, and score at a pretty high efficiency. He has a fantastic college ready shot, and as he adds more bulk this offseason and over the course of the next year, he'll develop into an even greater threat offensively and on the glass at both ends.
Both players are program changers when on the floor together, they feed off each other and have a chemistry together this team hasn't had in years and years.
As for the rest of the team, I like Clarke going into next year a lot, as well as Bell and Gulley. Kikko is a spark that can shoot pretty good, and is a great role player and team leader.
Qualls and Williams are very very raw and won't see the floor much again next year with the bigs we have coming in, especially if Powell returns. I actually don't mind Scott as a sub, he plays pretty good D just can be frustrating at times, but he's worth having on the team and I think he's level headed.
Wade is maybe a lost cause, lost his shot which was something we couldn't afford to happen, his defense is great, but if he can't shoot he's pretty useless on that end. He also seems to be a mental case on the court and in the locker room, I don't think him and Anderson have a very good relationship at all.
Hopefully we get Desmond Lee and he delivers that strong shooting touch, to go with our bigs, and an improved locker room, much better team next year.
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:19 pm to UltimateHog
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BJ needs to go pro, I want him gone and off the team. He is a cancer in the locker room with a shitty attitude, so damn inconsistent because he shoots about as well as a blind man from the outside and FT line, I don't know why people act like OMFG BJ IS GUNA LEAVE WE GUN' SUCK NEX YUR, no, not at all, will probably improve because BJ is gone.
Because he is the most talented individual on the team.
However, what you mention is probably a large part of why Mike didn't heavily recruit him while at Mizzou.
When he goes into his NBA mode trying to work on his scouting material for the draft, the offense breaks down. It is possible for the team to be better without him next year as the system isn't based on being centered around 1 or two great players it is based on the team concept of basketball. However, this year the players on the team depend on BJ and Powell for scoring, the rest are more than happy in filling roles and there is the possibility of none of them wanting to step up to replace the loss of scoring from BJ next year.
It doesn't have to be one person, several could share in replacing the scoring loss and that would be fine.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:23 pm to DaleDenton
BJ is averaging 13.8ppg in SEC play, and we've played the weakest first 6 games of anyone in the conference.
Portis will average near double figures in scoring next year, add in a few more ppg from Bell/Wade/Scott and you've made up for BJ's scoring, and likely raised the shooting percentage of those points by 20%.
Portis will average near double figures in scoring next year, add in a few more ppg from Bell/Wade/Scott and you've made up for BJ's scoring, and likely raised the shooting percentage of those points by 20%.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:25 pm to DaleDenton
I think if we had more options it would reign BJ in on the court. We need more talent if we're going to have talented players. It's rough on team chemistry when 1 or 2 guys are better than everyone else and everyone else knows it.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:30 pm to UltimateHog
Alandise harris shot 50% last year. We could have used his 13pts per this year, but, assuming he plays at a consistant level, will also help fill production should bj go.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:31 pm to oklahogjr
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It's rough on team chemistry when 1 or 2 guys are better than everyone else and everyone else knows it.
Heh, don't like that excuse at all.
Not the case for many other teams in the country that have 1 or 2 players head and shoulders above others but still have excellent team chemistry and a healthy locker room.
BJ just has a shitty attitude, no excuse needed. He's the type of guy I'd HATE to play with.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:34 pm to oklahogjr
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I think if we had more options it would reign BJ in on the court. We need more talent if we're going to have talented players. It's rough on team chemistry when 1 or 2 guys are better than everyone else and everyone else knows it.
Yeah. It is hard to get talent to come here when we haven't played in any post season tournament in, 5 years now?
This season is huge in that regard, even if it is "just" the NIT, go there win as many games as you can, bring in the next recruiting class, cull a couple players if you have too or need too and bring in guys who can help for next year.
I would like to pretend we should be going to the NCAAs ever year, the program has that potential, but we have to be realistic about where we are, which thanks to Pel is almost as bad as where Heath found the program. I know people didn't like the Altman hire, but it would have been a good hire at the time, and would have built off of Heath meeting his peak here, but instead Pel got the job and tore everything back down.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:39 pm to UltimateHog
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BJ just has a shitty attitude, no excuse needed. He's the type of guy I'd HATE to play with.
Rotnei, Fortson, Henry, McDonald and at times Wade seem to all have shitty attitudes.
Madden had reports of having nothing but a shitty attitude in HS.
I'm sure if I keep thinking I can name more from years past, but needless to say attitude wasn't high on the priority list for Pel in recruiting. I don't know, perhaps their attitudes leads these players too not take to coaching too well?
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:39 pm to DaleDenton
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I know people didn't like the Altman hire, but it would have been a good hire at the time
And now look at Oregon.
Altman comes in first year and wins the CBI, then makes the NIT Quarters, now Oregon is 17-2 and #16 in the country.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:44 pm to UltimateHog
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And now look at Oregon.
Altman comes in first year and wins the CBI, then makes the NIT Quarters, now Oregon is 17-2 and #16 in the country.
That's what I'm getting at, we need to worry about making any post season tourney, do as well as possible, then make a better tourney do as well as possible, etc.
Build upon success.
The preseason sweet 16 talk was delusion at its finest or people who wanted to get expectations high so they could get people excited then come back with "well, Mike failed, lets fire up the bandwagon to get him out of here"...
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:48 pm to DaleDenton
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The preseason sweet 16 talk
Surely no one believed those idiots.
If you know anything about sports you knew this was an NIT team with outside bubble NCAAT shot at best.
I did expect to be more improved on the road, which doesn't seem to be the case, may even be worse than last year, very possible they don't win a single road game this year.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 5:08 pm to UltimateHog
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Surely no one believed those idiots.
If you know anything about sports you knew this was an NIT team with outside bubble NCAAT shot at best.
I did expect to be more improved on the road, which doesn't seem to be the case, may even be worse than last year, very possible they don't win a single road game this year.
Just reading from today, lets be honest, Carolina had one of those days everything where they shot they made.
Well, apparently that is a product of poor coaching on one teams part and excellent coaching on another's, it isn't a product of a team just having one of those days. Now when Carolina had a game against I don't know, probably the worst team in the SEC, at home and shoots 8% for the game and gets beat by 40 points or so, we will get to hear it again about how horrible of a job was done today.
But if it was another sport, football or baseball and the opponent scored off a couple freak plays to win it would be seen as the team getting lucky and having one of those days.
I guess what I'm saying is ignorant people irritate me and reading HiV had triggered it, Lat has carrelled them all into one area we can call the OK carrel... It isn't like basketball is a hard game to grasp the concept of, so I guess these people never played the game.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 5:15 pm to DaleDenton
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It isn't like basketball is a hard game to grasp the concept of, so I guess these people never played the game.
I would guess that a lot of posters don't play sports.
Seems that way at least.
I don't even think I'd like sports if I didn't play a ton of them, certainly not as much at least.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:05 pm to UltimateHog
So that Arizona St. Team that is suppose to be dogshit horrible this year beat UCLA tonight and is 5-2 in the PAC12 so far, FWIW.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:35 pm to DaleDenton
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So that Arizona St. Team that is suppose to be dogshit horrible this year beat UCLA tonight and is 5-2 in the PAC12 so far, FWIW.
Excellent, a moral victory.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:01 pm to UltimateHog
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I don't even think I'd like sports if I didn't play a ton of them, certainly not as much at least.
You might be surprised. I didn't play football or baseball in school, but it hasn't stopped me from liking either of them.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:04 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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I didn't play football or baseball in school
I didn't play either of those either, I played basketball and tennis in HS, chose tennis over baseball come time for HS because I was really good at tennis, and I play in a hockey league currently each season.
I just meant in general, people that play sports LOVE sports, people that don't love sports usually didn't play sports.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:07 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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You might be surprised. I didn't play football or baseball in school, but it hasn't stopped me from liking either of them.
Several people like sports that never played them, no problem there, I was talking about people who never play thinking they are experts at the game.
After all it is still just putting a ball through a hoop.
But if they were all district 1A in the 70s in football in the 4a conference in Arkansas they can tell you exactly why you can't compare Holtz success in his second and third seasons at Arkansas and expect CBB to achieve the same, because the game is different now.
No it is still carrying an oblonged shaped ball across a painted line on a field before being tackled to the ground.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:19 pm to DaleDenton
I agree with that. I think I just misread what Ultimate was saying.
I'm still going to pretend to be a football expert though.
I'm still going to pretend to be a football expert though.
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