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Closer look at our last 4 offensive series
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:00 pm
I was disappointed in the game Saturday as much as the next person. Sure there were some coaching decisions I questioned, but that happens every game...people only mention them when we lose. Biggest issue I saw was just lack of execution.
Taking a look at our last 4 offensive series.
At this point we are up 27-9 with 6 min left in 3rd Qtr.
1-10: Incomplete pass to Jones. This was reviewed a close to being a TD. Keep in mind we just scored the previous play on a TD pass. More importantly, we had a TE (maybe Patton) WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field that CK never saw.
2-10: CK rush for 3 yards. I don't remember this play, perhaps it was a read option.
3-7: False start
3-12: Incomplete to Harrell. Throw was high but ball hit him square in the hands. Should have been caught
4-12: Missed 48 yard FG.
In this series we had 4 errors in execution and maybe 1 in play calling if you want to argue the 2 and 10 call.
Next series 27-17 2:46 in 3rd Qtr
1-10: Whaley for 5
2-5: Whaley for 11
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Pass to Warren, loss of 1
3-7: Pass to Pettway for 6
4-1: Punt
I didn't like the decision to punt, but had we not converted and lost the game the same folks calling for Morris to be fired would talk about how that gave them momentum. Our execution is so inconsistent I understand why we punted. Running the ball on 3rd and 7 is straight from Nutt's playbook. Maybe you argue the 2nd and 6, but again we just had 3 straight runs. A good OC establishes one to open up and exploit the other. Overall this series falls more on questionable play calling than execution.
Next series 27-24 11 min left in 4th Qtr
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Pass to Nance for loss of 2
3-8: Incomplete to Pettway
4-8: Punt
Of all the plays called in the 2nd half the 2&6 to Nance was most frustrating. Again on 3rd and 8 running the ball would result in the same ones screaming for us to run the ball pissed for doing so in that situation. 2&6 was maybe a bad play call.
Next series 27-27 5 min left
1-10: Whaley for 10
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Whaley for 2
3-4: Kelley sacked for loss of 12
4-21: Punt
To me that sack was partially on Kelley as he seemed to leave the pocket for no reason and wasn't agile enough to get away from the DE. Every other QB in the SEC probably could have avoided that sack. Sure hindsight says run the ball on 3&4, but Whaley just had 3 carries in a row with less yardage gained each time.
Point is other than a few plays here or there we simply didn't execute and it's pretty obvious to me our play calling is trying to compensate for the fact we don't have all the right pieces in place. Morris isn't the problem.
Taking a look at our last 4 offensive series.
At this point we are up 27-9 with 6 min left in 3rd Qtr.
1-10: Incomplete pass to Jones. This was reviewed a close to being a TD. Keep in mind we just scored the previous play on a TD pass. More importantly, we had a TE (maybe Patton) WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field that CK never saw.
2-10: CK rush for 3 yards. I don't remember this play, perhaps it was a read option.
3-7: False start
3-12: Incomplete to Harrell. Throw was high but ball hit him square in the hands. Should have been caught
4-12: Missed 48 yard FG.
In this series we had 4 errors in execution and maybe 1 in play calling if you want to argue the 2 and 10 call.
Next series 27-17 2:46 in 3rd Qtr
1-10: Whaley for 5
2-5: Whaley for 11
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Pass to Warren, loss of 1
3-7: Pass to Pettway for 6
4-1: Punt
I didn't like the decision to punt, but had we not converted and lost the game the same folks calling for Morris to be fired would talk about how that gave them momentum. Our execution is so inconsistent I understand why we punted. Running the ball on 3rd and 7 is straight from Nutt's playbook. Maybe you argue the 2nd and 6, but again we just had 3 straight runs. A good OC establishes one to open up and exploit the other. Overall this series falls more on questionable play calling than execution.
Next series 27-24 11 min left in 4th Qtr
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Pass to Nance for loss of 2
3-8: Incomplete to Pettway
4-8: Punt
Of all the plays called in the 2nd half the 2&6 to Nance was most frustrating. Again on 3rd and 8 running the ball would result in the same ones screaming for us to run the ball pissed for doing so in that situation. 2&6 was maybe a bad play call.
Next series 27-27 5 min left
1-10: Whaley for 10
1-10: Whaley for 4
2-6: Whaley for 2
3-4: Kelley sacked for loss of 12
4-21: Punt
To me that sack was partially on Kelley as he seemed to leave the pocket for no reason and wasn't agile enough to get away from the DE. Every other QB in the SEC probably could have avoided that sack. Sure hindsight says run the ball on 3&4, but Whaley just had 3 carries in a row with less yardage gained each time.
Point is other than a few plays here or there we simply didn't execute and it's pretty obvious to me our play calling is trying to compensate for the fact we don't have all the right pieces in place. Morris isn't the problem.
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:06 pm to GoldenSombrero
Good post
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:03 pm to GoldenSombrero
If I remember correctly, that 2nd and 6 pass to Warren that lost 1 was a jet sweep and it got blown up behind the line.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:03 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Keep in mind we just scored the previous play on a TD pass.
While you are right, it was more of a sweep than a pass
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but had we not converted and lost the game the same folks calling for Morris to be fired would talk about how that gave them momentum
I agree that there is a double standard in this regard but there is really no reason we can't get one yard at midfield.
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Point is other than a few plays here or there we simply didn't execute and it's pretty obvious to me our play calling is trying to compensate for the fact we don't have all the right pieces in place. Morris isn't the problem.
It is never one thing. IMO the play calling was one of the biggest factors but of course better talent would cover most of those issues that occurred in the 2nd half. Morris is only the problem if we see these issues in the future.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:34 pm to GoldenSombrero
Otis did a piece (insert joke here), and i know he is mocked but he mentioned that on some plays cole missed guys streaking down the field open.
I think the problem is some of our wrs are so average, or bad, that they can't get separation, and when they do our guys aren't looking for them because they arent open ever.
I think the problem is some of our wrs are so average, or bad, that they can't get separation, and when they do our guys aren't looking for them because they arent open ever.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:35 pm to rockiee
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Morris is only the problem if we see these issues in the future.
Agreed, Look... I may be wrong, it happens often as of late, however... there really was no real reason to lost that game with the momentum we have going into the 3rd quarter.
Surely we have enough talent to beat Colorado State. It is stomach ache inducing. Lordy Mercy.
I get that we don't have a real qback, I get that our Oline is patch work, I get that our best TE will not do what is needed to stay on the field. The depth with which we have fallen the past few years is appalling@
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:47 pm to GoldenSombrero
I want to also point out that i listened to tyler wilson on the morning rush. He said he went back, and watched the game film. He said that those pitch "passes" like the one tj scored on, or the ones that got blown up in the backfield are RPO's, or option plays. The ones where we got blown up by ty, and Cole, they were miss reads by the QB. That if they had read it properly we would have gotten positive yardage.
Some of us are hating on the coaches, and saying the play calling was bad (and im sure some of them were poor, regarding calling pass plays when we should have ran on earlier downs), but in reality it was poor execution as the OP states. Its hard for some of us to see the concepts ran, but some with trained eyes and good football knowledge are saying our players just performed poorly within the scheme.
It is a new scheme. Mistakes were made. We will get better as the year goes on.
Im still for taking our lumps with as many young players as we can, and build for year 4.
Some of us are hating on the coaches, and saying the play calling was bad (and im sure some of them were poor, regarding calling pass plays when we should have ran on earlier downs), but in reality it was poor execution as the OP states. Its hard for some of us to see the concepts ran, but some with trained eyes and good football knowledge are saying our players just performed poorly within the scheme.
It is a new scheme. Mistakes were made. We will get better as the year goes on.
Im still for taking our lumps with as many young players as we can, and build for year 4.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:28 am to russellvillehog
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It is a new scheme. Mistakes were made. We will get better as the year goes on. Im still for taking our lumps with as many young players as we can, and build for year 4.
It's co. State for Christ sake. We had the game won and pulled a Bert and shite it away, nothing more, nothing less.
I said the week before I wanted to see the team play 4 qtrs.
I'm still waiting.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:49 am to ArHog
Look as i type this i am on the toliet dropping something that resembles what we saw on the field the other night.
Fact of the matter is that our qbs suck. They stalled out, and they lost the team the game along with our secondary. We beat an FCS team by 1 point last year. We lost to a G5 school this year. Im not sure why anyone is surprised.
Fact of the matter is that our qbs suck. They stalled out, and they lost the team the game along with our secondary. We beat an FCS team by 1 point last year. We lost to a G5 school this year. Im not sure why anyone is surprised.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:56 am to GoldenSombrero
This always happens. You guys seem to come around on about hump day after a loss. 
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:06 am to GoldenSombrero
Is the defense getting a free pass? I mean the offensive players and play calling didn't help anything, but they didn't let the Colorado flipping state offense run all over them for 4 or 5 drives, scoring points each time.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:40 am to dammitbert
If the offense sustains 1 drive for points or a td, the rams lose. End of story.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:47 am to dammitbert
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Is the defense getting a free pass? I mean the offensive players and play calling didn't help anything, but they didn't let the Colorado flipping state offense run all over them for 4 or 5 drives, scoring points each time.
Not at all, they were obviously a huge part of the problem. But 2 games into the season I'm not ready to put the blame on Chavis or Morris. I'm still more excited about Razorback football moving forward than I have been since year 3 of Bert.
Everyone on the team, minus freshman, has had 1-4 years of poor leadership and development. Both physically and mentally. I don't expect Morris, Nick Saban or Bear Bryant to be able to undo this situation in 2 games. Our in-ability to finish games is a learned behavior and will take time to correct.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:56 am to russellvillehog
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I want to also point out that i listened to tyler wilson on the morning rush. He said he went back, and watched the game film. He said that those pitch "passes" like the one tj scored on, or the ones that got blown up in the backfield are RPO's, or option plays. The ones where we got blown up by ty, and Cole, they were miss reads by the QB. That if they had read it properly we would have gotten positive yardage.
Some of us are hating on the coaches, and saying the play calling was bad (and im sure some of them were poor, regarding calling pass plays when we should have ran on earlier downs), but in reality it was poor execution as the OP states. Its hard for some of us to see the concepts ran, but some with trained eyes and good football knowledge are saying our players just performed poorly within the scheme.
It is a new scheme. Mistakes were made. We will get better as the year goes on.
Im still for taking our lumps with as many young players as we can, and build for year 4.
Great point. I wish the NWA shows cared enough about having an actual discussion to bring on someone with this insight. Although doing so would completely contradict their narrative. If Morris won a NC, Bo's first segment on his next show would be whether winning 1 NC means anything and how Saban is in the hunt every year.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:13 am to GoldenSombrero
I don't blame the D for the most part. 3 and outs, or getting off the field way too soon definitely put our D in a tough situation.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:27 am to GoldenSombrero
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Great point. I wish the NWA shows cared enough about having an actual discussion to bring on someone with this insight. Although doing so would completely contradict their narrative. If Morris won a NC, Bo's first segment on his next show would be whether winning 1 NC means anything and how Saban is in the hunt every year.
Bo is all about hype train. We win a natty. He will definitely say we have elevated our recruiting profile.
And to rev. The defense was fine last season. Til the offense stalled. Then they stopped trying. This year they got warn out and played passive a mixtute of new and old.
The real problem is the offense. People need to realize this.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 1:17 pm to TheCheshireHog
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If I remember correctly, that 2nd and 6 pass to Warren that lost 1 was a jet sweep and it got blown up behind the line.
Yeah he was trying to get around the corner and ran into Whaley and got tripped up. Looked pretty ugly...you can tell he was mad.
It was a pretty "Arkansas" type of game. The opponent can't miss a field goal, we miss ours. Miss a touchdown by inches in the endzone while they make one handed catches for theirs. Seem to remember a fumble that we couldn't recover too.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 5:26 pm to gohogs141
Although ty didmt looked great i will say again hewas clearly better than kelley. Jred drops a td in the end zone, the first pick is a first down if pettway doesmt slip(I know it was behind him) and the last one he had a guy come untouched right up the gut and drill him as he let go of the ball. Nance was actually open on the play. At least storey has the mental capacity to understand the offense and read defense. Kelley doesnt have the IQ to play football at a p5 level in my opinion. The dude is seriously stupid as frick.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:49 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Wonder how many sets of pushups the team would've had to do if the pirate coached that game for us
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:56 pm to dammitbert
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Wonder how many sets of pushups the team would've had to do if the pirate coached that game for us
While he is entertaining Leach has, fairly recently actually, dropped a game to an FCS team.
When the stars align, and they darn sure would not have this season if he was our coach, then Leach can put a very fun team out there that wins a lot of games.
He can also have some games that would make us long for the glory days of Bert.
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