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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:04 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:04 pm to boogiewoogie1978
A win is a win.
Can't believe you guys are complaining about how we win.
Can't believe you guys are complaining about how we win.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:06 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:40 am to Stonehog
What's worse? A 1 point loss to UNC, or a 20 point loss to Tulsa?
No one is saying (contrary to hysterical belief) that wins are bad. But a W doesn't tell the whole story and you know it. Anyone trying to scout a team isn't going to stop at the W/L record when trying to gauge what kind of team we are.
No one is saying (contrary to hysterical belief) that wins are bad. But a W doesn't tell the whole story and you know it. Anyone trying to scout a team isn't going to stop at the W/L record when trying to gauge what kind of team we are.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:50 am to ocelot4ark
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What's worse? A 1 point loss to UNC, or a 20 point loss to Tulsa?
Well, since this is obviously hypothetical, I would say hypothetically it doesn't matter. They're both losses.
Basketball, like other sports, is all about matchups. Transitive stuff is nonsense. We will match up better with some teams than others. And every team is like this.
At the end of the day, when the game comes down to the last possession, Arkansas wins the damn game. 90% of the time. And that shatters another stupid narrative. That Anderson can't coach.
Dumbest shite I've ever heard.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:55 am to BoarEd
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At the end of the day, when the game comes down to the last possession, Arkansas wins the damn game. 90% of the time. And that shatters another stupid narrative. That Anderson can't coach.
You're still not addressing the 20 point blow out loss to LSU.
What happened there?
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:16 am to HogFanfromHTown
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I'm not here to say Mike is a clipboard warrior who can draw up plays like Pop, but he has drawn up plays for us before. You will notice double, triple curls, 43's etc. Some of y'all act like he's some youth team coach that has no idea what he's doing. Come on.
Are you referring to the 3 man weave play he had us run both times at the end of the game the other night? B/c that's not a play, its something I did in highschool warmups
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:20 am to STLhog
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You're still not addressing the 20 point blow out loss to LSU.
What's there to address? They obviously played a bad game.
Not one person in this thread has addressed the material in the OP.
If you wanna talk LSU maybe you should create a thread about it.
Once again, everything that flies off your fingertips around here is worthless.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:04 am to BoarEd
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Once again, everything that flies off your fingertips around here is worthless.
Yes, great stat. We were in 1 possession games with Ole Miss and Mizzou at home.
I'm stoked about that.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:51 am to BoarEd
An ugly win is always better than a pretty loss.
I am not thrilled with how we have been playing lately, but you don't want to be peaking in January anyway. If we can keep winning these close ugly games, I'm still holding out hope come tourney time.
I have seen positives the last few games. Body language has definitely improved even when down. Guys trying to motivate each other when things aren't going good. I'm hoping the end of the Georgia game gets Thompson back on track. His emotion after the block is the most I've ever seen out of him. And high energy teams need emotion. There have also been a few CJ Jones sightings and we need that in the worst way.
I don't like trying to run the offense through Gafford down on the block. He is a true freshman and is struggling to establish post position against stronger defenders. He is best used as a back side/lob guy when his man slides to help. It also frees him up to rebound missed shots. He needs touches for sure, but sticking him down on ball side block really seems to bog us down the most in a half court offensive setting.
Mike has made some adjustments too, which is a sign of a good coach. As our bench has shrunk due to guys not playing well, so has his full court pressure. You can't expect 7-8 man rotation to play Fastest40 against other teams. When guys get tired, they are going to rest on defense. But we have to have them out there for their offense. I think that was some of the issue during the losing streak. Bench players start playing better, our pressure can pick back up.
I get frustrated with some of Mike's X's and O's, but the best play in any basketball coaches playbook is called "Go Score". Luckily we have a few guy's that can run that play. It's also the most difficult to scout and defend. Our guys are fairly good at improvising. Macon did bail us out in the Georgia game. But those kind of shots just deflate the opposing team in tight games. I just don't want to have to depend on them for every game.
I could go on and on, but like rockiee said, the board doesn't seem to be in the best mood for discussion right now.
I am not thrilled with how we have been playing lately, but you don't want to be peaking in January anyway. If we can keep winning these close ugly games, I'm still holding out hope come tourney time.
I have seen positives the last few games. Body language has definitely improved even when down. Guys trying to motivate each other when things aren't going good. I'm hoping the end of the Georgia game gets Thompson back on track. His emotion after the block is the most I've ever seen out of him. And high energy teams need emotion. There have also been a few CJ Jones sightings and we need that in the worst way.
I don't like trying to run the offense through Gafford down on the block. He is a true freshman and is struggling to establish post position against stronger defenders. He is best used as a back side/lob guy when his man slides to help. It also frees him up to rebound missed shots. He needs touches for sure, but sticking him down on ball side block really seems to bog us down the most in a half court offensive setting.
Mike has made some adjustments too, which is a sign of a good coach. As our bench has shrunk due to guys not playing well, so has his full court pressure. You can't expect 7-8 man rotation to play Fastest40 against other teams. When guys get tired, they are going to rest on defense. But we have to have them out there for their offense. I think that was some of the issue during the losing streak. Bench players start playing better, our pressure can pick back up.
I get frustrated with some of Mike's X's and O's, but the best play in any basketball coaches playbook is called "Go Score". Luckily we have a few guy's that can run that play. It's also the most difficult to scout and defend. Our guys are fairly good at improvising. Macon did bail us out in the Georgia game. But those kind of shots just deflate the opposing team in tight games. I just don't want to have to depend on them for every game.
I could go on and on, but like rockiee said, the board doesn't seem to be in the best mood for discussion right now.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:05 pm to ocelot4ark
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What's worse? A 1 point loss to UNC, or a 20 point loss to Tulsa?
Do you have a point? There's no need for hypotheticals, we played Tennessee and beat them. If your argument is that a close win over Tennessee is worse than a blowout over Tennessee, that's irrelevant. The committee doesn't even consider margin of victory. There isn't a single committee member who would say "I would put Arkansas in the tournament, but they only beat Tennessee by 2. If they had beat them by 15, then I'd put them in."
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:33 pm to SnoopHogg
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Macon did bail us out in the Georgia game. But those kind of shots just deflate the opposing team in tight games. I just don't want to have to depend on them for every game.
This is an interesting point to bring up.
Aside from the
at everyone saying Macon doesn't belong on the floor, Mike moving Macon out of the starting lineup is one of the smartest things he has done this season as a coach. It isn't that Macon doesn't deserve to start (I think he is as good or potentially even better than Barford's), but it was more of a necessity of Mike to get someone on the second string that can still produce at a high level. He needed to manufacture points off the bench and because of this, Macon still had enough legs under him late into the game (after regulation in fact) to bury DEEP jumpshots. That shite is hard to do when you've been playing ball for the last two hours.
Yet another tip of the cap to Anderson's coaching ability. And yet, our vocal minority type fans are too ignorant to see these things. They think he's a glorified youth league coach.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:43 pm to BoarEd
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everyone saying Macon doesn't belong on the floor
Not sure if this is one of your fabricated points or not but anyone who said or thinks that is a flipping retard. He's easily one of our best players- without a doubt top 3.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:49 pm to piggilicious
Go back and look at the last game thread.
These same dudes that run around here saying Mike can't coach were screaming during the game that Macon is a frickin bum and doesn't belong on the floor.
These same dudes that run around here saying Mike can't coach were screaming during the game that Macon is a frickin bum and doesn't belong on the floor.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:03 pm to BoarEd
If our vocal minority basketball fans had their way they would fire Mike Anderson and hire a high school coach because they would consider that an upgrade. They would also bench our best players.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:03 pm to BoarEd
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Go back and look at the last game thread.
It's hard for me to actually stay in the game threads lately. Too much bitching and not just 'damn why can't we make our freethrows/play defense' etc. type of comments. Then a pollyanna gets started up and war ensues between the two factions.
I like my game threads free of trolling and chaos - the games themselves are normally chaotic enough for me.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:06 pm to piggilicious
I just wish there was a place to have serious basketball discussions.
This place obviously isn't it. Because you can't take anyone seriously who thinks Mike Anderson isn't a good coach. Mike Anderson is a fantastic basketball coach and to argue otherwise is stupid. It's really just that simple.
This place obviously isn't it. Because you can't take anyone seriously who thinks Mike Anderson isn't a good coach. Mike Anderson is a fantastic basketball coach and to argue otherwise is stupid. It's really just that simple.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:30 pm to Stonehog
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Do you have a point?
I feel like we go over this every year. Your simplistic view that a win on paper is all that really matters and nothing else can be inferred from actually watching the team play. I get it. You're coming at this from the aspect of getting into the tournament. That's fine. I am more focused on the way we're playing, with the knowledge that if we play better we'll still get the wins and the tournament might actually last a bit longer for us. My eye is actually on being better as a team and not just confirming my fricking bias.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:35 pm to BoarEd
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I just wish there was a place to have serious basketball discussions.
No joke. A place that would use appropriate language to describe our coach. "Fantastic" actually has a meaning. If MA is a fantastic coach, as you put it, then I would presume that means he's elevating the level of talent that he recruits? That his teams consistently beat teams they shouldn't and seldom lose to teams they shouldn't? That he makes consistently effective in-game adjustments that make up for the OBVIOUS disadvantages inherent to Arkansas.
Serious basketball conversation? Like the kind that suggests the pick and roll/pop is juvenile and beneath major college basketball (as if it's not the de facto offense of the NBA).
Mike is a good coach. Hurrah. It's just unfortunate that it takes a fantastic coach to win big at Arkansas. And he's not a fantastic coach by ANY observable or meaningful metric.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:40 pm to BoarEd
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Mike Anderson is a fantastic basketball coach
How can he be considered fantastic and we haven't been to the sweet 16 one time? I'm not asking him to move mountains but come on.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:45 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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How can he be considered fantastic and we haven't been to the sweet 16 one time? I'm not asking him to move mountains but come on.
It would make sense if his buckets are: Other-worldly coaches (8 total in college), Unbelievable coaches (12), Hall of fame level coaches (15), Fantastic coaches (30), Great coaches (40), etc, etc.
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