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Posted on 6/8/24 at 1:44 am to RazorbackLaw501
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the outfielder ALWAYS has priority" which is true.
I didn't contradict myself. The infielder goes for the ball until the outfielder calls them off. Cole gave up on the ball when Shaddy called it (which is what a middle infielder is supposed to do) and never attempted to call him off. He was content to let the infielder make the play and made zero effort to take charge when it is his responsibility to do so. Source... I was sitting about 75 feet away from the play
Literally the only way you can blame an infielder for a ball dropping that an outfielder has a play on is if there is a collision
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 9:04 am to UltimateHog
The younger fella
Posted on 6/8/24 at 10:24 am to ArHog
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Dream on by Aerosmith rocks
I think you mean the loser Arkansas Ben Rector version.
Vawlz with 3 HRs in 23 pitches to start the day.
Must be nice.
Posted on 6/8/24 at 11:56 am to Raz4back
Shaddy was calling people off a ball he wasn't prepared to catch. That's not fundamental baseball. I don't know how anyone can say he was doing the right thing.
As far as "DVH should have had that stuff in check.", what other instance would you have pointed to that indicated Shaddy would even operate that way? It was the first and only time he ever did anything like that. Some things you don't know until they're in the moment. Easy to have 20/20 vision in hindsight.
As far as "DVH should have had that stuff in check.", what other instance would you have pointed to that indicated Shaddy would even operate that way? It was the first and only time he ever did anything like that. Some things you don't know until they're in the moment. Easy to have 20/20 vision in hindsight.
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 12:14 pm to Raz4back
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 1:09 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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If they were coached properly, why didn't they back off and let Cole (who had the best chance of catching the ball as he is running toward it and doesn't have to turn his head) try to catch to
Because he didn't call them off. Good lord do you think two people looking up at a ball know where the outfielder is? What level of the sport did you play? I'm guessing you didn't even play high school baseball?
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You're saying because Cole didn't do (scream loud) enough, it is Cole's fault.
That is 100% the case, that is how it works
Again, Two guys have their back to the outfield. A ball is hit into the air and they are looking up at it. How in the world do you expect them to know that an outfielder has a play on the ball unless he lets them know? quote:
I've provided video evidence that what you're saying is not true; people can view it for themselves.
He gave up on the play when Shaddy called the ball. I was sitting right there buddy. That clip obviously shows he completely quit running and watched the play as soon as Shaddy called it. If you show that video to a bunch of high level coaches the vast majority, if not every one, will say that the outfielder has to take charge there.
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He literally veered off course a little when he saw Shaddy and Gates sitting awkwardly underneath the ball.
Correct, gave up on the play. Rather than call them off of the ball he did exactly what I said he did. He was content to let someone else make the play. It is the outfielders responsibility to catch EVERY ball that they can get to without diving and yes, that means running over the infielder if they don't get out of the way. The outfielder shouldn't even be looking at anything other than the ball.
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 1:29 pm to Drewbie
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Shaddy was calling people off a ball he wasn't prepared to catch. That's not fundamental baseball. I don't know how anyone can say he was doing the right thing.
The mistake Shaddy made was not calling the ball soon enough to give Gates time to get out of the way. Again, and I know you know this, any ball that a middle infielder can get to they should immediately call. It is their responsibly to then go catch it until an outfielder calls them off. Literally every coach I had from Little League through college coached that.
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 1:53 pm to Raz4back
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:36 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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the first and second baseman unless they call him off.
This is where the disconnect is. An infielder, by "rule" can't call off an outfielder. If an outfielder calls the ball, even after an infielder has already called it, the infielder is supposed to give way. The outfielder shouldn't even look at anything other than the ball once he calls it. If there is a collision it is the infielders fault.
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What we do know is that sound fundamental rules in baseball state that the right fielder has priority, so Shaddy shouldn't actually need to hear anything. He should first look to see what Cole was doing, communicate with him and win a national championship. But here we are.
This statement right here is what it does matter if you played. You expect a second baseman to either not go after a ball or to turn his back to where the ball is to look for an outfielder in case the outfielder can get to it. You clearly don't realize how far a ball tails on a pop up. If you look away the ball can drift 20 feet from where you last saw it.
I'll try to break it down more clearly
A ball over a corner infielders head has this priority and every one the three players in the vicinity should go for the ball until called off from a position of higher priority. Corner infielder... should give way to middle infielder once the middle infielder calls the ball, even if the Corner infielder has already called the ball. The middle infielder should start screaming for the ball as he feels he can get to it. Middle infielder should give way to an outfielder even if th middle infielder has called the ball. The outfielder should start screaming for it as soon as he realizes he can catch the ball without diving. Once an outfielder calls the ball he HAS to go get it. He can't worry about a collision. We can get further in the weeds SS has priority over 2nd. CF has priority over corner outfield, except in instances where there is a runner tagging up and the Centerfielder will be at a disadvantage trying to throw the runner out ( example a runner on second is tagging and the ball is in the right center gap where the center fielder will be going away from third base and the right fielder will be going toward third base)
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:40 pm to Drewbie
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:41 pm to RazorbackLaw501
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But I'm not sure Shaddy actually even said anything and just didn't bullrush into that clownish
For the third time, I was sitting right by the play. I literally heard him
I guess it could have been the OSU first base coach, but Shaddy was the only one that kept going for the ball and I wouldn't think a college coach would be that bush league.This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:26 pm to Raz4back
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:53 pm to RazorbackLaw501
Can we anchor this pathetic foul ball Shaddy debate? It's been 6 complete seasons since then. Doesn't really matter anymore
Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:54 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
But But, But... it was all to show that DVH just doesn't have the "it" factor....
That he will never have the "it" factor....
and that we will never win a NC with DVH at the helm...
Does it make sense now? yeah... to me neither!
That he will never have the "it" factor....
and that we will never win a NC with DVH at the helm...
Does it make sense now? yeah... to me neither!
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:01 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
Yeah discussing the foul ball is like bringing up Hitler in an argument. It means it's officially over
Posted on 6/8/24 at 6:49 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
Until baseball wins it all then the foul ball blooper will continue to be discussed. The foul ball gifs will not go away on the rant anytime soon.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:33 am to dchog
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Until baseball wins it all then the foul ball blooper will continue to be discussed. The foul ball gifs will not go away on the rant anytime soon.
Stoernover, Reggie Fish, Frank not kicking the FG in '69 and a few other Arkansas blunders.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:11 am to ArHog
Nate has been here 7 years. That’s an eternity to be in the same job as an assistant coach. Almost all coaches in his position would be fired or promoted by now. We need some fresh ideas.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:32 am to Mason Dixon Swine
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