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re: 2017 Arkansas Recruiting Thread---Football and Basketball
Posted on 6/24/16 at 1:55 pm to Ham Solo
Posted on 6/24/16 at 1:55 pm to Ham Solo
Bert has said that his favorite part about being a college coach is taking an under-recruited guy and developing him as a player/student/person through the 4-5 years they're in college.
Part of me believes this is a cop out to busting his arse on the recruiting trail against the big boys.
Part of me believes there is more merit and a bigger payoff to bring in smart guys that give a shite about the school part of being a student athlete and have the frame, build and potential to become a really good athlete and a complete professional be it in sports or in business although you do trade a measurable amount of talent on the field.
Another part of me believes in the ying and yang of talent /recruiting vs. coaching/building up. Not sure you can focus the majority of your energy on both. You either recruit your tail off and get guys that are more of a finished product, or you recruit well against mid-majors and bust arse to mold these mid-level recruits into capable players.
Part of me believes this is a cop out to busting his arse on the recruiting trail against the big boys.
Part of me believes there is more merit and a bigger payoff to bring in smart guys that give a shite about the school part of being a student athlete and have the frame, build and potential to become a really good athlete and a complete professional be it in sports or in business although you do trade a measurable amount of talent on the field.
Another part of me believes in the ying and yang of talent /recruiting vs. coaching/building up. Not sure you can focus the majority of your energy on both. You either recruit your tail off and get guys that are more of a finished product, or you recruit well against mid-majors and bust arse to mold these mid-level recruits into capable players.
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:45 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Korey Hernandez commits. This is just getting kinda weird. 2* and we're far and away the best offer. At the least, I'll assume he's a great kid. Just wish we were seeing commits with a few more BIG offers.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:52 pm to ocelot4ark
shite, I am going to try and commit real quick. This may be my chance. We are taking all comers.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:16 pm to ocelot4ark
It's safe to say that his class is hands down going to be our lowest ranked one under Bielema.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:22 pm to ocelot4ark
Coaches got to work with him at the Atlanta satellite camp and loved him.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:22 pm to TheCheshireHog
unless these guys get bumped up during or after their upcoming season
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:24 pm to hawgfaninc
hopefully this helps us land more players out of Georgia going forward
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:23 pm to hawgfaninc
some complaining about who we're taking we'll be sweating us hanging on and keeping some of these come the fall and winter
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:35 pm to RazorHawg
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some complaining about who we're taking we'll be sweating us hanging on and keeping some of these come the fall and winter
I see more head scratching than complaining. These guy may end up being great players. It's just odd to see us take this many this early with guys that aren't being recruited heavily. Hoping our coaches are just ahead of the curve on these guys.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:48 pm to TheCheshireHog
feeling like John L. is at the helm again. 
Posted on 6/25/16 at 7:50 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Bert has said that his favorite part about being a college coach is taking an under-recruited guy and developing him as a player/student/person through the 4-5 years they're in college.
This is all well and good. I'm sure that there is a lot of satisfaction in that. I love to see underdogs rise up and bite somebody too.
I'm not so sure you can count on that for a whole class and succeed in the SEC though.
Again, I'm not complaining, we may be getting some real diamonds in the rough. Only time will tell.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 9:52 am to WonderWartHawg
People are basing this class off of summer rankings from sites that are so behind the curve they wait until after the summer into the fall when the evauls start to get updated rapidly on their sites.
The difference between past years is they are being allowed to commit now, so of source it looks worse on paper then it would if they committed in the fall and the sites seen x schools offered so he must be an x rating x rank at his position/state, x amount of stars.
The staff has already seen these guys in person evaluated their film etc it isn't trying to do more with less the are taking who they want this early, the diamond digging is shown more with the late offers in the spring, like most of Nutt's classes or Petrino offering Herndon on NSD letting him have a shot at playing above the d2 offers he was choosing from.
The difference between past years is they are being allowed to commit now, so of source it looks worse on paper then it would if they committed in the fall and the sites seen x schools offered so he must be an x rating x rank at his position/state, x amount of stars.
The staff has already seen these guys in person evaluated their film etc it isn't trying to do more with less the are taking who they want this early, the diamond digging is shown more with the late offers in the spring, like most of Nutt's classes or Petrino offering Herndon on NSD letting him have a shot at playing above the d2 offers he was choosing from.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:42 am to DaleDenton
I realized that as well, Dale. And I am hoping that is the case.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:13 am to WonderWartHawg
I'd love to see more stars beside these kids' names, but Bret and this staff are not "settling" on players this early. They are offering players they want, and accepting commitments from players high enough on their board to satisfy that position need.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:16 am to Snizzzo
I'm sure the ratings will go up. One benefit is that we are able to focus and heavily recruit more high profile targets now. Devoting more time to these guys may end with a strong finish for this class.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:54 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Devoting more time to these guys may end with a strong finish for this class.
I'm a fan of how bert has adapted his strategy in recruiting to accepting commitments early.
shows he's willing to try something different, in hopes of seeing better results
Posted on 6/25/16 at 1:29 pm to hawgfaninc
I like it too. Hope it means they're not scrambling at the end anymore.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 2:53 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Hey was able to land the high ranked players (Collins/Kirkland/etc) in a year the bulk of the class was set before January fwiw.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:12 pm to DaleDenton
Lots of luck was involved in those signings.
Collins was probably going wherever Bielema was at, thankfully he's rebellious and wouldn't listen to momma.
Kirkland would be at Miami if Golden's crew hadn't jerked him around.
Both of them seemed to really enjoy their time here. The Hawaiian kid enjoyed his time here too much as he never played a snap I don't believe.
Collins was probably going wherever Bielema was at, thankfully he's rebellious and wouldn't listen to momma.
Kirkland would be at Miami if Golden's crew hadn't jerked him around.
Both of them seemed to really enjoy their time here. The Hawaiian kid enjoyed his time here too much as he never played a snap I don't believe.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 4:32 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Collins was probably going wherever Bielema was at
How is that luck?
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