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Why do our DB's play without looking....
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:08 am
For the pass. Blew 2 easy int's against Mich state because of this. Do they just get beat that bad and have to catch up to the receiver? Surely they're not taught this. Drives me nuts!!!
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Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:23 am to PBD4BAMA
For some reason they never come out of phase
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:25 am to MontyFranklyn
Because that's the best way to defend the wr.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:35 am to PBD4BAMA
according to posters on other sites, DBs are coached to do this. to read the eyes of the receiver instead of looking back for the ball.
drives me ape#### crazy, too. dont see a lot of other teams using this technique. I do see lots of bama PI flags for using it.
drives me ape#### crazy, too. dont see a lot of other teams using this technique. I do see lots of bama PI flags for using it.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:40 am to PBD4BAMA
I've had this debate with my dad. I think it must be something they're taught. I'm guessing the thought is that by turning around you risk the ball zipping right past you and giving up not only the completion but long run after the catch. By facing the WR, the DB can try to rake the ball out of the WR's hands. The problem is anytime the ball is slightly underthrown, there's going to be automatic PI as the DB makes contact with the slowing WR.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:42 am to Kashmir
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dont see a lot of other teams using this technique
Really? Most every game I watch has DBs faceguarding the receiver. I don't necessarily think it's a technique they're taught, but I think it's how every DB does it because they're afraid to get beat deep.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:45 am to Bryant91092
When we make a good play the announcers say perfect technique lol.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:41 pm to Bryant91092
BUT, most are coached to look back for the ball.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:46 pm to Kashmir
Ours look back when they are in position to. But if the WR has a step on you (which they are going to most of the time in 1-on-1 man - after all, they know where they are going, the DB doesn't), looking back and losing the receiver is the quickest way to give up a big play. I'll take a 15-yard penalty over a 50-yard TD.
Example
Example
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 3:12 pm to PBD4BAMA
Saban Explains It Here
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Alabama grades whether or not a defensive back should turn and look for the ball by where they are in relation to the line of scrimmage. Usually, Tide coaches teach defensive backs to avoid looking for the ball within the first 18 yards, or the “move area,” especially if they’re playing tight, in-phase coverage.
“You have to stay in-phase with the guy until you get through the move area, which we usually tell our guys is 18 yards down field. Then you can become the receiver and look for the ball if you’re in-phase,” Saban said Thursday. “If you’re out-of-phase, you have to play the ball through the man, which means you’re not going to turn and look for it until you get back in position to look for it through the man.”
Alabama’s coverage philosophy can sometimes be exploited by offenses that try to take advantage of that “move area.” And that can often lead to pass interference calls, even when the Tide defensive backs are doing what they’re taught.
That’s what happened when Alabama senior cornerback Cyrus Jones was called for pass interference on Mississippi State’s second offensive series Saturday.
“I think he played it correctly. He was in-phase but he wasn’t through the move area,” Saban said. “We know they throw back-shoulder throws to (De’Runnya Wilson), so we were playing it that way, and the ball was thrown poorly. Who initiated the contact? I don’t know but they always call that pass interference on the defense."
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 4:32 pm to Bham Bammer
just seems to be a more penalties for it the last couple of seasons.
there is a gray area with officials in how this is interpreted even though face guarding is not against the rules. it looks bad. and I hope it doesn't cost us.
there is a gray area with officials in how this is interpreted even though face guarding is not against the rules. it looks bad. and I hope it doesn't cost us.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 4:39 pm to Kashmir
There's a gray area for tons of penalties. We have been more penalized this year than in previous seasons, but I'd argue the increase is more on the offense. Again, pass defense is incredibly difficult, especially in the current game. There's a lot of risk. I'd rather err on the side where a mistake costs you 15 yards than one that costs you six points.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 4:55 pm to Kashmir
I'm not sure what our guys are suppose to do in some of these situations, we had good coverage on the 2 PI calls vs. Michigan State. The throws were awful and aimed at our DBs back.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 5:02 pm to Kashmir
Clemson was doing it all night against Big Game Bob's team, (funny while I was watching it was never called)
Posted on 1/2/16 at 5:18 pm to RollTide66
I noticed it also during the Clemson game. They never called it.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:22 pm to PBD4BAMA
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or the pass. Blew 2 easy int's against Mich state because of this. Do they just get beat that bad and have to catch up to the receiver? Surely they're not taught this. Drives me nuts!!!
Our DBs play bump and run a lot. You play the receiver unless you're damn sure you're turning and gonna catch the ball
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:28 pm to nastynate05
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“You have to stay in-phase with the guy until you get through the move area, which we usually tell our guys is 18 yards down field. Then you can become the receiver and look for the ball if you’re in-phase,”
And at least on Minkah's penalty, he didn't do this. Cook practically hit him between the numbers on his back.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:30 pm to sarc
Late in the game Minkah was called for a PI for doing this and Saban bitched at him. I think the coaches teach the technique, but also expect them to turn and look for the ball in anticipation
Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:07 am to Chad44
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I noticed it also during the Clemson game. They never called it.
What crew called that game? During our game I said "I hope this isn't a Big 12 crew," then "god, this seems like a Big 12 crew," then the announcers confirmed it. Big 12 refs barely allow pass defense.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:41 am to PBD4BAMA
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For the pass. Blew 2 easy int's against Mich state because of this. Do they just get beat that bad and have to catch up to the receiver? Surely they're not taught this. Drives me nuts!!!
If our DB's were looking back to read the QB, they would get burned constantly. You only look back when the receiver looks back, and that is only if you are stride for stride with him, which is rare. DB's can look back more once the defense is backed up into the red zone, since there's no more risk of giving up a deep pass. Watch Cyrus Jones' INT from the game for a good example of this.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 12:42 am
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