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What was wrong with our WR routes?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:51 pm
I saw many times on here that our routes were too simple. How could that be the case with talents at WR like Cooper, Norwood, White, Jones, and Howard?
I never played football so I don't know the deep Xs and Os, so I'd love an explanation
I never played football so I don't know the deep Xs and Os, so I'd love an explanation
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:05 pm to alabamabuckeye
Good question.
I'm sure you've heard about the route running ability of Amari Cooper specifically. Because some people actually don't know, when you say a WR "runs great routes", it means he can get himself opening with his route running. This has a lot to do with some athleticism, such as quickness or short area burst, but it also has a lot to do with ability to get good depth or to make precise and quick cuts.
This year our route concepts seemed a lot simpler than last year, for whatever reason. We didn't do as many smash combo routes, we didn't run as many Hi-Lo patterns, I also noticed a lack of Deep Flag routes. I don't know the reasons behind this, but what I do know is it hurt us in a few games. One thing LSU did this past season was implement more complicated route trees that Landry and Odell executed to perfection. Having a first year starter at QB could hold us back from opening up the routes, but a new OC may really want to implement some better routes.
One thing to note is perhaps the routes may have had something to do with Napier.
I'm sure you've heard about the route running ability of Amari Cooper specifically. Because some people actually don't know, when you say a WR "runs great routes", it means he can get himself opening with his route running. This has a lot to do with some athleticism, such as quickness or short area burst, but it also has a lot to do with ability to get good depth or to make precise and quick cuts.
This year our route concepts seemed a lot simpler than last year, for whatever reason. We didn't do as many smash combo routes, we didn't run as many Hi-Lo patterns, I also noticed a lack of Deep Flag routes. I don't know the reasons behind this, but what I do know is it hurt us in a few games. One thing LSU did this past season was implement more complicated route trees that Landry and Odell executed to perfection. Having a first year starter at QB could hold us back from opening up the routes, but a new OC may really want to implement some better routes.
One thing to note is perhaps the routes may have had something to do with Napier.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:44 pm to alabamabuckeye
The plan on many passing plays is to have a primary target. His route should include a teammate running a route that betters his chance of getting open. Whether this is running the defense away from the primary target or running a "pick" route for the primary target.
It's no different than running the football. You don't ask your linemen to "block that guy." You ask him to block out of block down, this creating the hole for the back to run. A well designed play in football is doing everything it can to enhance the chances of the plays success.
This year it seemed to me like it was every man for himself on the route tree. X and Y weren't helping Z get open, and in turn, many times nobody got open.
An example of a well designed pass play was the colin peek touchdown in the 2009 SECCG. The design of the play was to draw the focus away from the primary target, thus enhancing his chances of getting open and the play succeeding.
These concepts are much more prevalent in the nfl because the receivers and quarterbacks can digest this stuff and see the defense through the same set of eyes. A coach with nfl experience often times understands this better as well. It seems to me that Nuss just drew up routes on plays at random like a madden playbook.
It's no different than running the football. You don't ask your linemen to "block that guy." You ask him to block out of block down, this creating the hole for the back to run. A well designed play in football is doing everything it can to enhance the chances of the plays success.
This year it seemed to me like it was every man for himself on the route tree. X and Y weren't helping Z get open, and in turn, many times nobody got open.
An example of a well designed pass play was the colin peek touchdown in the 2009 SECCG. The design of the play was to draw the focus away from the primary target, thus enhancing his chances of getting open and the play succeeding.
These concepts are much more prevalent in the nfl because the receivers and quarterbacks can digest this stuff and see the defense through the same set of eyes. A coach with nfl experience often times understands this better as well. It seems to me that Nuss just drew up routes on plays at random like a madden playbook.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:52 pm to alabamabuckeye
I'd call it arrogant play calling in that we weren't attacking what the defense was giving us. Against cover 2 you'll want to attack the middle of the field and keep the safeties outside, against cover 3 you'll want to attack the boundaries. Normally you want to force a 1 on 1 in any match up. This year it seemed like our passing routes were pretty straight forward and we were just going to force them to beat us instead of us attacking them.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:56 pm to mwlewis
That's a big part of it too. We went into every game with a plan in offense and were too stubborn to waiver from that and adjust to what we were seeing from the defense if it wasn't working. This is Nuss' biggest flaw in my opinion. When we drew up a good plan during the week that worked on Saturdays the offense looked great.
When the plan didn't work Nuss either refused to adjust or just didn't have he ability.
When the plan didn't work Nuss either refused to adjust or just didn't have he ability.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:59 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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When the plan didn't work Nuss either refused to adjust or just didn't have he ability.
I'd say it was him being stubborn. If I know how to adjust an offense based on what the defense is giving you then he should.
I can draw up a series of plays right now that can beat every type of defensive coverage with our base offensive set (3WR, 1TE, 1RB). No excuse why Nuss couldn't.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:03 pm to mwlewis
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mwlewis
How is your recruiting ability?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:03 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Don't worry about him, I'll handle recruiting.
If ya know what I mean.
$$$
If ya know what I mean.
$$$
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I was asst rush chairman for 2 years 
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:07 pm to mwlewis
Every recruit any kids from Louisiana? They're my fav :)
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Give me an Xbox controller and I'll run this offense to 60 points a game, minimum.
Get at me bros
Get at me bros
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:34 am to bamabenny
I think he may have to do with Napier definitely. We didn't run our Smash routes, etc over preference for things that resembled spread/air raid concepts.
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