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Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:38 am to Teague
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And I'm not playing your silly guessing games.
Presenting facts to show that perceptions are often different from reality is silly? Well. Ok.
Since you asked, here are the same three receivers with catches by running backs removed. I'll also take the guessing out.
Calvin Ridley has caught 43% of all passes thrown to WRs this season.
In 2010, Julio Jones caught 38% of all passes thrown to WRs.
In 2014, Amari Cooper caught 49% of all passes thrown to WRs.
I chose those years because they were the last season for both Cooper and Jones and, like Ridley, the apex of a college career that ends with being taken in the first round of the NFL draft (which is all but sure to happen for Ridley next spring). It also just happens to be a sample set involving three different offensive coordinators.
We are relying on Ridley for 5% more catches than Jim McElwain relied on Julio Jones and 6% less than Lane Kiffin relied on Amari Cooper - who caught half of all passes thrown to WRs his last season at Bama.
The reason all three of those guys catch so many balls is actually pretty simple. They're all first round NFL talent, so only the dumbest of OCs won't have them as the first or second look on every pass play. Since they're first round NFL talent, far more often than not they're going to be open and will catch the ball when it is thrown to them.
You don't have a problem when your first-round WR is catching a lot of passes. You have a problem when he ISN'T catching a lot of passes.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:41 am to Teague
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I know we have
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But to say that we only use one WR is just factually incorrect
Which is it? You know we have, or it's factually incorrect?
You said that we only use one WR. That is an incorrect statement. If you meant that we use Ridley more than the other guys, then say what you mean, otherwise don't get upset when I call out your incorrect statement.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:44 am to Bamadiver
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So Ridley steps out on one play and he's too soft? Wow. We have some young guns on the wr corps. They'll beef up, but to call them soft is ridiculous. They need to catch the balls thrown their way. That's the bigger issue. Who was blocking outside on those sweeps in the fourth qtr against MSU? Our offense is missing the ability to check down on obvious incoming blitzes. Right now, teams are loading the box on running and passing downs. I'm hoping that slant to Smith is a sign of things to come.
It's not just that one play, that was one example. I'm not calling the entire WR corps soft. Just Ridley. It's mental and physical.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:46 am to JustGetItRight
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Presenting facts to show that perceptions are often different from reality is silly? Well. Ok.
And, the difference is, we have more than one guy on this team who has first round talent. In 2010 the second leading WR was Maze - pretty good, but didn't make it in the NFL. In 2014, our second leading WR was Deandrew White - same as Maze. This team has far more talent at WR.
All that said, I never argued if we should or shouldn't be getting the ball to other guys. I replied to the actual post, which was about this team missing a "dawg" WR. I said, we have other WR's that we don't use. See, I was able to understand the information being presented, and reply with relevant comments. Sometimes people get caught up in what they want the argument to be about, and that's the argument they formulate.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:48 am to Funky Tide 8
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You said that we only use one WR. That is an incorrect statement. If you meant that we use Ridley more than the other guys, then say what you mean, otherwise don't get upset when I call out your incorrect statement.
So, you thought that my statement literally meant that we'd never thrown the ball to another WR?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to Eli Goldfinger
The only thing our offense need is an adjustment in the offensive line.As it relates to an opponent.
we seem to feel we have another Cam (70& 76) or multiple position possibility (74),
like our past all-American center Jones who started out as an Left-tackle.
So why don't we use this depth based on opponent.
Womack does plays hard and will handle the RT position against most opponents.
But what I am saying based on the Opponents DE like a Keys from LSU.
Why not move Womack to guard and play 74 out there.Maybe let 76 or 70 play some LT and move
73 to right tackle based on opponent. We seem to have multiple depth possibility and just seem
to not use it.We good at skills from RB,WR, TE.
What I will note is that 24 Robinson is going be a player next year that's gonna turn heads.
Freshmen among those in the mix to get playing time on Crimson Tide offensive front
By Alex Byington For the Eagle Aug 14, 2017
https://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/alabama/freshmen-among-those-in-the-mix-to-get-playing-time/article_a637bb06-8150-11e7-a9da-43b007fa1ad6.html
we seem to feel we have another Cam (70& 76) or multiple position possibility (74),
like our past all-American center Jones who started out as an Left-tackle.
So why don't we use this depth based on opponent.
Womack does plays hard and will handle the RT position against most opponents.
But what I am saying based on the Opponents DE like a Keys from LSU.
Why not move Womack to guard and play 74 out there.Maybe let 76 or 70 play some LT and move
73 to right tackle based on opponent. We seem to have multiple depth possibility and just seem
to not use it.We good at skills from RB,WR, TE.
What I will note is that 24 Robinson is going be a player next year that's gonna turn heads.
Freshmen among those in the mix to get playing time on Crimson Tide offensive front
By Alex Byington For the Eagle Aug 14, 2017
https://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/alabama/freshmen-among-those-in-the-mix-to-get-playing-time/article_a637bb06-8150-11e7-a9da-43b007fa1ad6.html
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:52 am to Mobtro
Ridley is good enough to warrant every other target from Jalen (although it's not that high). It's not like Jalen unnecessarily forces it to him all the time. Why not throw it to him if he's consistently WIDE OPEN?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:53 am to Teague
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So, you thought that my statement literally meant that we'd never thrown the ball to another WR?
Literally, figuratively, still wrong.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:55 am to Mobtro
Kind of upset Jeudy hasn't broke out yet. I was expecting big things after the spring game.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:55 am to Teague
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And, the difference is, we have more than one guy on this team who has first round talent. In 2010 the second leading WR was Maze - pretty good, but didn't make it in the NFL. In 2014, our second leading WR was Deandrew White - same as Maze. This team has far more talent at WR.
I mean, we think they might, but we don't know that for sure. They are also all true freshmen, and not every true freshmen immediately shows up ready to get off the LOS and make tough catches like Julio, Coop and Ridley did.
The freshman have been given lots of opportunities the last 3-4 weeks and have had ups and downs. I think they are being used very appropriately.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:57 am to Funky Tide 8
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Literally, figuratively, still wrong.
Care to explain? You, yourself said you know we target Ridley far more than anyone else. Then you say I'm wrong for saying that.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:06 am to Mobtro
quote:It's ridiculous. That is all it is. Or a troll.
It's mental and physical.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:13 am to Mobtro
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It's not just that one play, that was one example. I'm not calling the entire WR corps soft. Just Ridley. It's mental and physical.
How about he takes a seat for the rest of the year and focuses on his future. Since he is soft physically and mentally.
This is the biggest insult you can call a player and you are throwing that out to a player who has given it his all for 3 yrs. Shameful.
Ridley is very intelligent. He can assess quickly whether to step out of bounds or run for more than a couple of yards. This intelligence makes him an excellent route runner. So stepping out of bounds is a smart play for the TEAM not soft.
Mentally, lol, why, because he is passionate, loves to compete. He brushed off a play jalen wanted and you call him soft. THAT'S A QB/WR RELATIONSHIP it happens everywhere.
Bottom line. Coaches, team, intelligent fans love him.
If you dont, think about this team without him.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:16 am to Teague
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Care to explain?
You said that we only use one WR.
We do not use only one WR.
We do use one WR more than the others, which is good, because he is arguably the best WR in the nation.
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You, yourself said you know we target Ridley far more than anyone else. Then you say I'm wrong for saying that.
Never said that.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean, we think they might, but we don't know that for sure. They are also all true freshmen, and not every true freshmen immediately shows up ready to get off the LOS and make tough catches like Julio, Coop and Ridley did.
The freshman have been given lots of opportunities the last 3-4 weeks and have had ups and downs. I think they are being used very appropriately.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:28 am to Funky Tide 8
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You said that we only use one WR. We do not use only one WR. We do use one WR more than the others, which is good, because he is arguably the best WR in the nation.
So, again, you thought I literally meant we only threw the ball to one WR?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:40 am to Teague
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So, again, you thought I literally meant we only threw the ball to one WR?
dude, I think that it is obvious that I understood your point, and I am simply saying that it wasn't a good point. Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:49 am to Funky Tide 8
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I understood your point, and I am simply saying that it wasn't a good point.
My point: We don't use our other WR's.
It's difficult to disagree with that statement. So, I'm not sure how it's not a good point.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:51 am to Teague
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My point: We don't use our other WR's.
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It's difficult to disagree with that statement.
How? We've had two big, game-changing plays in the last two weeks by WRs not named Ridley. The quantity might not be there, but the quality is, and we absolutely use other WRs in a meaningful way.
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