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Posted on 4/2/19 at 12:41 pm to YStar
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You guys are really going overboard.
Yep. Whether the coaching sucked or not, they still gave up at the end of the year. Coaches shouldn't have to do all the motivating and providing incentives to play hard. You should already be doing that as a D1 athlete. Hopefully the bad attitudes/team cancer started and ended with Dazon and with him gone plus a new staff with a different mindset, a ton of areas improve.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 12:51 pm to YStar
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You guys are really going overboard.
How so? This group of guys beat UK and should have made the tourney. All we are hopeful of is that they can finish and with actual development that can happen.
No one is expecting a final four.
It all depends on the players buying in.
There will be consequences for quitting with this current coaching staff. They won't play. Should be enough motivation to play your hardest if you ask me...
I do enjoy the negative fans, though. I'm sure if they have success you'll fist pump and celebrate as if you never doubted them.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 12:54 pm to Bryant91092
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Whether the coaching sucked or not, they still gave up at the end of the year.
There are very few players who would continue to give their all and self-motivate when they have lost all faith in their coach's ability. You can talk about how they should do it on their own, but that's unrealistic.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:07 pm to Teague
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You can talk about how they should do it on their own, but that's unrealistic.
I guess I'm naive and think that a D1 athlete should have their own inner drive to be successful. Especially when you're going to school for free and have so much to play for, even if your coach is a buffoon.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:10 pm to Bryant91092
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I guess I'm naive and think that a D1 athlete should have their own inner drive to be successful. Especially when you're going to school for free and have so much to play for, even if your coach is a buffoon.
You're naive to think that a team full of players can do it well enough to get better results than we got this year, yes. There's a reason coaches exist, and it's not just to call plays during the game.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:19 pm to Teague
I'm not even referencing to whether or not there would be a different outcome. I'm strictly looking at it from a give a shite factor to play hard, something that should be a non-negotiable
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:24 pm to Bryant91092
Fortunately, with the new staff, max effort IS a non-negotiable.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:25 pm to Bryant91092
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I'm strictly looking at it from a give a shite factor to play hard
Maybe, but my point is that very few people are just born that way - you're not going to have a roster filled with players with the competitive spirit of Michael Jordan, or Collin Sexton. For the vast majority of players, that is something they have to be taught, and constantly motivated to do.
Pick your favorite Nick Saban team, replace the coach that year with someone inept, and most of those players you loved so much would look exactly like the basketball players looked at the end of this season.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:31 pm to BigBird09
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We have a better 2019 recruiting class
Class rankings for basketball is kind of a joke and not informative
For example, Villanova had 3 top 50, 6 top 100 recruits last season with the following rankings.
'14: #48
'15: #29
'16: #45
'17: #28
5* #20 Omari Spellman
5* #22 Jalen Brunson
4* #46 Jermaine Samuels
4* #75 Phil Booth
4* #81 Mikail Bridges
4* #97 Cosby Roundtree
4* #124 Divichenzo
+ Transfers like Eric Paschall on roster
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I’d love to hear the reasoning on how you have IU ahead of us,
Good buddy is an IU homer. I've just accepted that he'll convince me that IU is making a comeback every year + I like Archie a lot
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will return most of our roster stacked with veterans in 2020
The only guys from teh current roster I see competing to be key players in 2020 are Kira, Herb and Petty. I expect OatzNHoez to be bringing in his talent to build from
I would be worried about NBA draft for Kira. If he makes a big step shooting + PG maturity, he could be a riser
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But I’m sure your reasoning is the same as every year
I mean, I haven't really been wrong about these things
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:42 pm to GenesChin
It's in the coaching
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:45 pm to GenesChin
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I mean, I haven't really been wrong about these things
You said we'd make the tournament this year and not last year.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 1:57 pm to Bryant91092
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I guess I'm naive and think that a D1 athlete should have their own inner drive to be successful. Especially when you're going to school for free and have so much to play for, even if your coach is a buffoon.
I can't think of any instances off the top of my head where a coach lost the locker room and the team didn't completely shite the bed from that point forward, at any level of competition.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:01 pm to Robot Santa
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I can't think of any instances off the top of my head where a coach lost the locker room and the team didn't completely shite the bed from that point forward, at any level of competition.
That's a good point, but also kinda sad for people that gifted to essentially give up. Human nature I guess.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:02 pm to phil4bama
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Cecil just tweeted he wouldn’t be surprised if Trendon was an unofficial visitor in Tuscaloosa today
Probably wants to see what a practice looks like.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:20 pm to GenesChin
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Good buddy is an IU homer. I've just accepted that he'll convince me that IU is making a comeback every year + I like Archie a lot
This is pretty much all you needed to post. The rest is pretty irrelevant stuff. We return more. We added more. There’s really no other reason to believe it other than homerism.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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You said we'd make the tournament this year and not last year.
I said the following in the spring
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If Avery shows some great coaching ability I think Bama roster can be a 5-8 type SEC team which should be auto NCAAT bid LINK
I followed it up with pegging Alabama as 7-11 last spring LINK. In the fall, I replied to someone's picks that would imply like 18-13 and 10-8 season too I guess
If Avery could coach, I have no problem having said Bama would have finished #8 and made the NCAAT
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:31 pm to BigBird09
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We return more. We added more. There’s really no other reason to believe it other than homerism.
From a talent perspective, I expect both IU + Bama's minutes to be of similar caliber talent/"star power." As I have said many times, you can't approach bball recruiting with a football approach
So yes, I expect a good coach starting year 4 to be ahead of a potentially good coach starting year 2. It takes time to build culture, bring in your guys and for the coach to adjsut to new job
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:32 pm to GenesChin
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GenesChin
Thanks for posting here.
I'm usually opposed to opposing fans on here but you're knowledgeable and bring your A game.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 2:33 pm to Bryant91092
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That's a good point, but also kinda sad for people that gifted to essentially give up. Human nature I guess.
I think a lot of it can be attributed to no longer trusting the decisions being made by the coach in question. When that trust begins to erode, the players are a lot more prone to feelings of "here we go again" as soon as something bad happens, and it often snowballs from there. Teams that consistently play hard do it because they believe in and trust in the guy leading them. It is just human nature. Guys who are so compulsively competitive that they'd do anything to win no matter the situation are few and far between. Most of them are complete fricking assholes who ultimately alienate their families, friends, colleagues, etc. too.
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