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Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:01 pm to phil4bama
Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:01 pm to phil4bama
Not to rain on the parade here but I won't be getting excited about any of these 5-stars we are offering and getting included in Top 8 lists until we actually get a few to commit, sign and show up on campus.
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Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It also always cracks me up when at the beginning of each new regime, message board folks basically say “ I love Coach XX. He’s absolutely everywhere and relentless on the trail”. Every single coach that’s hired recruits at these same events. 
Flying across country and going to high school / AAU events is not new. Consistently landing top players would be new.
/ downvote me to hell and back
Flying across country and going to high school / AAU events is not new. Consistently landing top players would be new. / downvote me to hell and back
Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Agree wholeheartedly but Oats seems to be playing the law of averages,cast a wide net trap a couple every year. Even by default or circumstance.
Then show them an exciting product on the floor while winning. You can start a tradition that way.
Takes a lot of hard work,belief and patience from the Coaches and the school.
Was hoping Avery would do that.
Then show them an exciting product on the floor while winning. You can start a tradition that way.
Takes a lot of hard work,belief and patience from the Coaches and the school.
Was hoping Avery would do that.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 3:50 pm to Bryant91092
I agree. Lets see how recruiting goes first.
We have offered every body under the sun. I hope we actually sign one.
We have offered every body under the sun. I hope we actually sign one.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:22 pm to Bryant91092
Avery Johnson didn't go to nearly as many aau events as Oats has, most college coaches don't, he is definitely outworking most of them so far and it's paying off, 3 or 4 2020 five star players have already said they are gonna visit us. That's amazing seeing as how he got in so late on the 2020 class, most of them have been being recruited by certain coaches/schools since they were in 10th grade, Oats got in on them just a few months ago.
I don't remember us ever having a coach that has recruited nationally as much as Oats has so far.
I don't remember us ever having a coach that has recruited nationally as much as Oats has so far.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:32 pm to CrimsonFever
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I don't remember us ever having a coach that has recruited nationally as much as Oats has so far, he has top players interested in us from California to NY and has only been on the job a few months.
Avery pretty specifically targeted Texas and we were all very excited about grabbing Terrance Ferguson, possibly getting Marques Bolden. Then excitement over visits from DJ Harvey, Troy Brown, Luka Garza and Bruno Fernando.
I'm very excited about Oats, I like that they are attacking the trail and I think he has a great product to sell in how his teams play........but I'm just not getting sucked into seeing stars until we actually get a few of these kids.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Thats fine but he is definitely outworking most coaches in the country on the recruiting trail and handwork usually pays off.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:51 pm to CrimsonFever
Avery definitely went to as many events. So did Grant. No need for revisionist history.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:57 pm to CrimsonFever
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outworking most coaches in the country on the recruiting trail
I'm very happy with his effort so far, but how on earth can we tell that? In addition, he has to outwork many of them just to catch up to where they are already because he is brand new (and that is awesome, I love that he is clearly doing that). I just feel like what is happening right now is how it should be I guess, and not THAT much different than our previous coaches (all the way back to Gottfried in the late 1990s).
I'm very happy with it all, just much more at a wait and see phase I guess. I'd love to grab elite kids from around the country, I'm just never going to believe that is going to be a "thing" until it actually happens. And I'd be shocked if it happens before we start putting a fun, good product on the floor. This is classic "they are new and fresh and fun so I'll throw them in my Top 8, maybe take a visit" territory.......then push comes to shove and they go to Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, Carolina, etc.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 4:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I mean, the recruiting calendar is limited. That’s why most all coaches bust their arse on the trail at these events. It’s not limited to a certain few
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm very happy with his effort so far, but how on earth can we tell that?
Well if you keep up with recruiting at all you can find out which coaches and assistants are at which events, it's not hard. Some coaches and schools are represented at a lot more events than others, our staff being one of the most active staffs.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:19 pm to Bryant91092
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Avery definitely went to as many events. So did Grant.
I suppose you'll say next that Grant and Johnson also recruited nationally as much as Oats has been doing, which would also be wrong.
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That’s why most all coaches bust their arse on the trail at these events.
You really think most all head coaches recruit equally as hard? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here, no offense.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:20 pm to CrimsonFever
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Well if you keep up with recruiting at all you can find out which coaches and assistants are at which events, it's not hard. Some coaches and schools are represented at a lot more events than others, our staff being one of the most active staffs.
Well a big part of that is, like I said, other staffs have established relationships with players, parents, AAU coaches, AAU sponsors, high schools, etc, and we are having to work our arse off to catch up. It's fantastic that we are, but I don't think just having guys at events is the end all be all of coaches working hard in recruiting.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:23 pm to CrimsonFever
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I suppose you'll say next that Grant and Johnson also recruited nationally as much as Oats has been doing, which would also be wrong.
I'll deem it "recruiting nationally" when we land some of these kids. I'm not going to ding coaches for not spending time and effort on a bunch of kids from the Bay Area or Chicagoland when they know that the time could be better spent zeroing in on specific kids from Texas, Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas and DC (which is what Avery did, specifically).
Now - if Oats succeeds and we start building new pipelines on the East Coast and out West, hell yea. I'm not knocking his current strategy - I'm all for striking while the iron is hot and kids and coaches are curious about you and what you are offering. But just offering a bunch of kids from around the country is not necessarily an indication of a better strategy. It's just different.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I just hope Oats is doing the under the radar thing as well. That's how some programs were able to level the playing field. At this point, I'm convinced we could hire Tony Bennett and we would still be offering every five star under the sun...smh
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:29 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I just hope Oats is doing the under the radar thing as well. That's how some programs were able to level the playing field. At this point, I'm convinced we could hire Tony Bennett and we would still be offering every five star under the sun...smh
I'm very confident in Oats ability to find kids who fit his system, regardless of their ranking or offer list. If he can match that with signing elite talents as well, sign me up.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If you want to say you're not excited for us to get an official visits from 4 or 5 five star players from all over the country then I would hate to see what it takes to make you excited.
I don't remember us ever having a 5 star player from Washington (Beauchamp), one from Maryland (Timberlake), one from Missouri (Fletcher), One from California (Burnett) all planning to take official visits here in one recruiting class. If you don't think we have been recruiting nationally under Oats then I'd have to assume you haven't been paying much attention.
His first two signees were from opposite ends of the country, Quinerly (NY) Hawkins (California).
I don't remember us ever having a 5 star player from Washington (Beauchamp), one from Maryland (Timberlake), one from Missouri (Fletcher), One from California (Burnett) all planning to take official visits here in one recruiting class. If you don't think we have been recruiting nationally under Oats then I'd have to assume you haven't been paying much attention.
His first two signees were from opposite ends of the country, Quinerly (NY) Hawkins (California).
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:38 pm to CrimsonFever
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If you want to say you're not excited for us to get an official visits from 4 or 5 five star players from all over the country then I would hate to see what it takes to make you excited.
I don't remember us ever having a 5 star player from Washington (Beauchamp), one from Maryland (Timberlake), one from Missouri (Fletcher), One from California (Burnett) all planning to take official visits here in one recruiting class. If you don't think we have been recruiting nationally under Oats then I'd have to assume you haven't been paying much attention.
Alright man - sounds good. Definitely not going to argue about it. I'll feel my way and you can feel yours. Like I said, I've been down this path of chasing national players from out of the region far too often with little results to automatically just assume the fruits will be there. I desperately hope it works.
I've very much been "paying attention", and if you re-read what I said I said I'm not going to consider it "recruiting nationally" until we start signing elite kids from all over. We are currently attempting to recruit nationally.
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His first two signees were from opposite ends of the country, Quinerly (NY) Hawkins (California).
His first 2 signees were a transfer and a kid who we beat out Buffalo for (who I like a lot in our system, but that's irrelevant here). That is not the same thing. At all.
Again, I don't know why you are getting so offended at me and Bryant. We're excited about Oats and excited about recruiting so far. I'm just not going to lose my mind because we are in the Top 8 or 10 for some kids. Maybe that makes me a pessimist, I dunno.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah I know, we aren't arguing, it's nothing to argue about, I understand wanting to wait to get your expectations too high, we have been let down before for sure. I think Oats is different, my main question with him is not will he succeed here but will be be able to hang onto him long term when he does.
You're downplaying the Quinerly and Hawkins signings imo, Quinerly is a transfer who was a top 20 ranked recruit in the country two years ago and Hawkins had more offers than just Buffalo, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Arizona State, Kansas State, and Colorado also offered him. He was gonna commit to Buffalo over all of those schools because of Oats.
You're downplaying the Quinerly and Hawkins signings imo, Quinerly is a transfer who was a top 20 ranked recruit in the country two years ago and Hawkins had more offers than just Buffalo, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Arizona State, Kansas State, and Colorado also offered him. He was gonna commit to Buffalo over all of those schools because of Oats.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:47 pm to CrimsonFever
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I think Oats is different, my main question with him is not will he succeed here but will be be able to hang onto him long term when he does.
I really like him as well - everything I've seen so far has very much excited me.
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You're downplaying the Quinerly and Hawkins signings imo, Quinerly was transfer who was a top 20 ranked recruit in the country two years ago and Hawkins had more offers than just Buffalo, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Arizona State, Kansas State, and Colorado also offered him. He was gonna commit to Buffalo over all of those schools because of Oats.
I don't disagree, I think they were both very good pickups. I just think that signing elite, McDonald AA type players is a different game.
I think that if anyone at Alabama can do it it will be Oats. He recruited out of his depth so to speak at Buffalo, he has an exciting, proven style to sell and he's got some great recruiting assistants.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:48 pm
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