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Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41004 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:23 am to
And I have been thoroughly disappointed with Bettle pretty much all season. I thought we were getting a smart, mature player that would bring some valuable leadership to the team. He creates as many or more of our problems than anyone.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6971 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:32 am to
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Disappointing Loss Hurts Alabama Post-Season Hopes (BamaOnLine)



I feel like they just save this article as a template and change a few players and coaches names every year.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30250 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:33 am to
I’m never buying in to another Bama transfer again until I see them do it in a Bama uniform.

Beetle is a ball hog and he had a couple of momentum altering turnovers when we were on the verge of blowing last night game open
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
2883 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:46 am to
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CrimsonFever


Bravo to you for staying positive.

I imagine that you typed all those hypothetical situations out while wearing a Terrence Ferguson Bama jersey .
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9347 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:54 am to
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t's hard to be rational the morning after. We reverted back to our Tennessee and Arkansas efforts and energy. All 3 of those have been at Coleman. That is just inexcusable, and falls on the coaches. Maybe there's a lesson he's trying to send that we can't see.

But I guess my rational take is we are a team that is reliant on the 3-point shot to be successful. When those shots are falling, we generally play well. They were mostly only falling last night in the latter part of the 1st half. Couple that with an opponent that shot better than they have all season from the 3-point line, and it's easy to see why we lost. I mean Shack missed 3 open looks and Kira missed one from the 3-point line in the final 2 minutes of the game, while their guy hits a contested one with one second on the shot clock to put them up 6. Difference in the game right there. But it's hard to ignore that it should have never been that close. They had 14 turnovers in the first half, and we could only muster a six point lead at the half.

Easily the worst loss of the season, at the worst possible time



I agree that at this point of the season, the buck really stops at the coach and not the players nor a previous coach although I do have some (hopeful) confidence in Oats to sort this out if he can recruit.


What I really want to see from Oats going forward this year is some answer to these massive end of game issues we have.

We have to be among the worst teams in America in the last five minutes (as our 1-7 record in 1 or 2 possession games attests).


I agree about the 3 point shooting being a bit more of a "crap shoot" in the final possessions. However, our larger issue has been that we just don't produce enough "good" shots of any variety in crunch time. We'd actually be better off working for the first open 3 and firing it up to continue to increase possessions since we turn it over even more when we slow the pace.


When teams bear down and put a premium on possession by possession play they are able to force us into bad shots or turnovers in well over half of ours.

These possessions keep happening every single close game like clockwork:
1. the defense reads Kira no look passing out to the corner for an easy breakaway layup the other direction and a 4 pt swing (this one seriously makes me hit pause on the TV to settle myself down)
2. too much non-incisive passing around the perimeter until we're forced into a contested three
3. Petty recognizing that we need a play but trying to do too much off the dribble and turning it over
4. Kira missing on a contested 1 vs 4 drive attempt

I agree that none of this matters against A&M if we don't carelessly throw the ball away 15 times to make the game close down the stretch.

However, at this point, I tend to feel that we have less than a 10% chance of winning any game that's within 5 points in the final five minutes and Oats needs to work on that.



This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:00 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46265 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:08 am to
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These possessions keep happening every single close game like clockwork:
1. the defense reads Kira no look passing out to the corner for an easy breakaway layup the other direction and a 4 pt swing (this one seriously makes me hit pause on the TV to settle myself down)
2. too much non-incisive passing around the perimeter until we're forced into a contested three
3. Petty recognizing that we need a play but trying to do too much off the dribble and turning it over
4. Kira missing on a contested 1 vs 4 drive attempt


Kira making stupid, irresponsible passes and playing hero ball during crunch time has been a regular theme in our close losses all season. He should be benched over it, but Beetle is somehow even worse.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:11 am to



This is so depressing. I don’t know what it’s going to take to turn this around. I really think Oats is a very good coach.

My answer would be for the administration to quit putting the basketball program on the back burner. We have to find a way to start making improvements
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9347 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:21 am to
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Kira making stupid, irresponsible passes and playing hero ball during crunch time has been a regular theme in our close losses all season. He should be benched over it, but Beetle is somehow even worse.



Yeah, frustratingly, we're probably looking at least 4-4 instead of 1-7 in our close games if we just had decent, steady PG play those last few minutes with Kira moving over to the wing.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:24 am
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
13047 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:28 am to
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We are staring an NCAA berth in the face and go out and lay that egg at home.


This has been happening for the last 4 or 5 seasons.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30250 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:28 am to
I feel good about Shack and Herb going into next year.... the rest of these Pussies can GTFO
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:29 am
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30250 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:30 am to
Kira isn’t clutch. He plays really well until it matters. That’s why he won’t succeed in the NBA IMO. I hope JQ is more clutch
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:40 am to
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However, our larger issue has been that we just don't produce enough "good" shots of any variety in crunch time. We'd actually be better off working for the first open 3 and firing it up to continue to increase possessions



I get what you're saying, but all 3 of Shack's misses were good, open looks. As well as he's been shooting lately, the odds were at least one of those should have gone in. And 2 of them were on the same possession, the second one set up by an offensive rebound. Not faulting those possession at all. I'd rather the guys have the green light to take those shots than be scared to like they were under Grant and Johnson.

The more frustrating thing for me was not being able to extend our lead in the first half. Some of that was uncharacteristic good shooting from A&M to start the game, but with them turning the ball over 14 times, our lead should have been more than 6 points. It wasn't a bigger lead because we got outcoached and played A&M's game the entire game instead of playing our game and dictating tempo.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:42 am
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
2243 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:51 am to
We have zero post presence. Offensive or defense. Reese is just too passive do do anything but stand on the perimeter and shoot threes. That aint going to get it. I would much rather have someone play defense and rebound than take up space on the 3 point line.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6966 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:55 am to
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The more frustrating thing for me was not being able to extend our lead in the first half. Some of that was uncharacteristic good shooting from A&M to start the game, but with them turning the ball over 14 times


Yes sir.

When it was 30-24, we had about 7 chances to extend the lead and blew them all.

before we scored again, we were 0-5 (3 missed 3's), 3 turnovers and four fouls in about a 3 minute stretch.

you extend that lead to 10-12 and it changes the game a bit.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9347 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:04 am to
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I get what you're saying, but all 3 of Shack's misses were good, open looks. As well as he's been shooting lately, the odds were at least one of those should have gone in. And 2 of them were on the same possession, the second one set up by an offensive rebound. Not faulting those possession at all. I'd rather the guys have the green light to take those shots than be scared to like they were under Grant and Johnson.



Yeah, I completely agree with that. Shack's looks were just what we wanted -- just bad luck. I'd be happy if almost all of our possessions in crunch time were just running the regular offense, i.e. working quickly for the first good 3 point look or open drive. We need to increase possessions down the stretch since that's where 35-40% 3 point shooting nets an advantage and not when the game rides on making 2 of 4 in the final two minutes.

Also, completely agree that this game should have never been close enough to where our closing issues come into play.

We were definitely out coached in dealing with that half court trap and had one of our worst halves of the season for unforced turnovers (which is saying a lot).


Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:20 am to
How our combination of three bigs can continue to combine for less than 10 rebounds game after game is mind boggling. Especially when we have Herb out there with one hand at barely over 200 pounds getting 17 rebounds with one good hand.

Petty who is even lighter than Herb is by far our second best rebounder.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:21 am to
Our bigs are so soft. It concerns me that Hawkins can’t even get on the floor.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:24 am to
Me too hopefully he is really just out of shape and can come in next year and play well. Would be hard not to be an upgrade over what we have now.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:28 am to
Galin would be a good rebounder if his hands were softer. He gets his hands on a lot of balls around the rim, but his stone hands have a hard time holding onto it. Half the time it just bounces off of them to the other guy it seems. Reese is just lazy most of the time. Rebounding is 75% effort, and he doesn't have it. Doesn't help he has very little vertical ability. Not sure what Davis's problem is. Maybe just youth.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:38 am to
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Me too hopefully he is really just out of shape and can come in next year and play well. Would be hard not to be an upgrade over what we have now.


I believe it’s more than that. In my opinion, if it was just him being out of shape, he could still get 3-5 minutes a game.

You hate to label someone a Miss after their first season, but it doesn’t look good when you can’t get on the floor with these bigs
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