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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:11 pm to
Retin Obasahon redshirted and turned out to be pretty good.


I get what ya'll are saying, that if he isn't good enough to get on the court this year as bad as we need depth then it doesn't look very promising. He may end up being terrible but a lot of players have redshirted and ended up still having good careers.
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:48 am to
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Bruce Pearl won 9 total SEC games his first two years, I assume some bandwagon Auburn bball fans were down on him.


Seems to have turned things around just fine.




This is such a false dichotomy that I don't even know where to start.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:55 am to
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Bruce Pearl won 9 total SEC games his first two years, I assume some bandwagon Auburn bball fans were down on him.


Seems to have turned things around just fine.



This is such a false dichotomy that I don't even know where to start.


In fairness, Bruce Pearl did go into his 3rd season at Auburn with high expectations and most of the same roster that eventually made the Final Four and laid an egg.



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Is Kira better suited at 2? I wonder with Quinerly next year if they'll slide him.



If he were to return next year, I do think having Quinerly allows Kira to play a lot more 2.

In Oats system, I don't think that necessarily means Kira wouldn't be often pushing the ball in transition, just not running point as much if we don't get a shot in transition.

Seems to me that Oats wants multiple players pushing the ball up the court.




This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 1:02 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:13 am to
LINK ]Daybreak: NSD (Podcast)
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Three times per week, BOL Daybreak is part of the process for Crimson Tide fans looking to get their day off to an informational and entertaining start.

On a Wednesday edition of Daybreak, we talk about Alabama men's basketball seeing a 15-point lead wither away in a Tuesday night loss to Tennessee; what missed opportunities during an ongoing four-game stretch mean for Nate Oats' team moving forward; and a look at how National Signing Day might unfold for the Crimson Tide football team.
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:03 am to
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:09 am to
5 days now with No George. Hope he is alright.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:24 am to
LOL I'm good guys - no terminal illnesses. Just busy at work and home and cutting back on time consuming bad habits.

As for basketball, not really much to say. We stink, it stinks, I wish I didn't care. I like everything I've seen from Oats but he's going to have to prove to me he's any different than the last 2 guys I was initially excited about.

I'm done giving benefits of the doubt based on 2 weeks stretches and soundbites.

Row Tahd
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:28 am to
We thought Bama Basketball had driven you to Hang yourself like Brooks did in Shawshank.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:31 am to
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We thought Bama Basketball had driven you to Hang yourself like Brooks did in Shawshank.



Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13143 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:37 am to
This is Alabama basketball...……..not even the NIT this year.

IF Nate can't recruit some players with basketball mojo then he will be just another Grant/Avery failure.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:41 am to
Hopefully he didn't watch last night.

I understand depth and adjusting to a new offense is a big issue, but some of these losses could be avoided if they are smarter with the basketball. The turnovers are one things. Guys not playing smart is another. Reese and Davis with both four fouls and committing their 5th when they're not even remotely close to the basket; Kira and Petty dribbling into double and even sometimes triple teams; Beetle not looking for the outlet pass. It's infuriating.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:43 am to
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Hopefully he didn't watch last night.



He sure did

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I understand depth and adjusting to a new offense is a big issue, but some of these losses could be avoided if they are smarter with the basketball. The turnovers are one things. Guys not playing smart is another. Reese and Davis with both four fouls and committing their 5th when they're not even remotely close to the basket; Kira and Petty dribbling into double and even sometimes triple teams; Beetle not looking for the outlet pass. It's infuriating.



It's just not fun
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30289 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 7:56 am to
That 7 or 8 game stretch we had from Samford to Missouri was fun though. I hope that’s what we look like when Oats gets it rolling.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:03 am to
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That 7 or 8 game stretch we had from Samford to Missouri was fun though. I hope that’s what we look like when Oats gets it rolling.



That'd be nice. I just vividly remember having similar feelings about how refreshing things were during the stretch from Wichita State to the end of the non-conference in Avery's first year too (beat #20 Wichita, #17 Notre Dame, @ Clemson, lost to Oregon by 4). I vividly remember being excited about how much toughness Grant had instilled through the first 15 games of his first season (11-4, 1-0, beat Michigan and lost close to Purdue, actually tried to play real defense).

I'm hoping for the best and I like the general way Oats handles himself and some of the stuff I've seen, but I'm not buying it until I see it for a full season.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 8:15 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:30 am to
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I just vividly remember having similar feelings about how refreshing things were during the stretch from Wichita State to the end of the non-conference in Avery's first year too (beat #20 Wichita, #17 Notre Dame, @ Clemson, lost to Oregon by 4). I vividly remember being excited about how much toughness Grant had instilled through the first 15 games of his first season (11-4, 1-0, beat Michigan and lost close to Purdue, actually tried to play real defense).



Yep. People are going out of their way to make every excuse in the world that absolves the coaching staff of responsibility, but the bottom line is that the past two staffs that everyone now agrees were totally incompetent had the players they inherited looking pretty good for 10-12 game stretches during their first seasons before totally collapsing too. Does this staff have more things outside of their control going against them? Sure, I'll give them that. Will Oats be the same story? I really can't even begin to form an opinion on that at this point. I hope not. For all the different ways he seems to go about running a program than his predecessors this team is still just as mentally weak and prone to playing some of the absolute dumbest basketball you will ever see as most of the last 20 have been though.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:34 am to
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I really can't even begin to form an opinion on that at this point.


Correct - either way.

I'm not going to hold this against them due to year 1, scheme change, players I've seen play for 1-2 years and know what their base instinct is, injuries, NCAA, etc.................but I'm also not going to automatically say if no-injuries/plus JQ that we are definitely a 20+ win team.

Not really any conclusion to be reached at this point, positive or negative. I've seen a lot of stuff I like and I've also seen a lot of stuff that I really hate, to be frank, especially the last 14 days (dating back to pre-Herb injury, FYI).
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:39 am to
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I've also seen a lot of stuff that I really hate, to be frank, especially the last 14 days (dating back to pre-Herb injury, FYI).




We've played pretty poorly since the Missouri game. To make it worse, the body language of the team has been dreadful the past 2 games. They look like they've checked out. I hope that's not the case and they're just frustrated, and/or physically worn down. Unfortunately, given the roster situation I don't see it getting any better the next couple of weeks.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:50 am to
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Nate Oats: "It's some of the same issues we've been having. I can't put my finger on it. I don't have an answer."
Don't be fooled, Bamafan. Oats knows exactly what his problems are, but he doesn't yet have the manpower to fix it. We'll see (barring any other major setbacks) a different Tide team out there next year, and if Lewis stays, we should be a top tier SEC team in '21.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Oats knows exactly what his problems are, but he doesn't yet have the manpower to fix it. We'll see (barring any other major setbacks) a different Tide team out there next year, and if Lewis stays, we should be a top tier SEC team in '21.


Not sure what massive influx of manpower you are seeing outside of just adding bodies. If we have a big improvement next year it's going to be mainly on the backs of guys already on the roster, unless you think Quinerly, Rojas, Gary and Ambrose-Hylton are gamechangers.

Hopefully more depth and another year in the system makes everyone more comfortable. Not sure how anybody can say with 100% certainty it absolutely will, though. We'll just have to wait and see.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 8:54 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46273 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:17 am to
We 100% need JQ to get it because Kira still hasn't and I have my doubts that he ever will. Of course, Quinerly also struggled in a very similar system last season at Nova, but it's also a difficult style of play for a freshman to pick up. Petty and Herb are probably the two best decision makers in our half court offense, which is fricking depressing because they both do a lot of stupid shite with the ball.
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