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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:00 am to Crede15
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Obanor would be a monster on the offensive end for us, and a better schematic fit, but he's at best an average defensive player. He's so good offensively that he's an obvious take too though.
Apparently the connected Arkansas reporters think we are in the top 3 or 4 right now for him but clearly not the favs. Any indication how Bama should feel about their odds?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:03 am to Robot Santa
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We'd be thin at guard, but it'd be really tough to pass up a guy who can shoot lights out the way Obanor can.
i just dont see how were thin at guard. i dont know why so many posters are saying that. jq, jd, keon, nimari, miles, holt, and sometimes gary make us 7 deep. that makes us well equipped to also play 4 guards fairly easily if we wanted. if you just want more veteran depth then sure, but that want is far from having to label us as thin.
to me there is no specific depth weakness, but due to frenchies situation and not having rojas, getting obanor or any frontcourt player would make more sense. plus yea, obanors just better.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah that'd create even more problems. My hunch is that he will be allowed to phone report because he's a college student though. That's pretty standard. The other concern is that with court systems finally getting up and running again here recently, how far down the list did he fall? Hopefully he has a decent lawyer who will go ahead and get something worked out here in the next few weeks so he can enroll somewhere without all that hanging over his head for the next year.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:18 am to rushball
Yea I think the biggest question in terms of "guard" or "forward" for us and our scheme is on defense. Offensively we are basically positionless, especially when it comes to #2-#4 offensively.
PG/SG
- Jahvon Quinerly
- JD Davison
SG/SF/PF
- Keon Ellis
- Darius Miles
- Nimari Burnett
- Jusaun Holt
SF/PF
- Noah Gurley
PF/C
- Juwan Gary
- Keon Ambrose-Hylton
- Alex Tchikou
Center
- Charles Bediako
Obanor is 6'8, 225 so I imagine we'd prefer to play him at the 4 mostly (again, I see him as a better shooting Reese). If we did that, you'd probably see Gurley playing the 3 more I'd guess, Ellis at the 2.
You'd have a lot of options to mix and match based on opponents size and strength, and almost none of them would be lineups where you went "oh shite how are we gonna score". We could play two 6'8 shooters at the 4 and 5 for stretches with Gurley and Obanor, we could go big and play Ellis at the 2, Gurley at the 3, Obanor at the 4 and one of the kids at the 5........etc etc.
Just a lot of options. This list also shows why Gurley was such a huge add. He bridges a gap between our guard/forward guys and our forward/center guys as a guy who has proven to be able to play and defend small enough to guard the 3 but also play and defend big enough to guard 4s and even smaller 5s.
PG/SG
- Jahvon Quinerly
- JD Davison
SG/SF/PF
- Keon Ellis
- Darius Miles
- Nimari Burnett
- Jusaun Holt
SF/PF
- Noah Gurley
PF/C
- Juwan Gary
- Keon Ambrose-Hylton
- Alex Tchikou
Center
- Charles Bediako
Obanor is 6'8, 225 so I imagine we'd prefer to play him at the 4 mostly (again, I see him as a better shooting Reese). If we did that, you'd probably see Gurley playing the 3 more I'd guess, Ellis at the 2.
You'd have a lot of options to mix and match based on opponents size and strength, and almost none of them would be lineups where you went "oh shite how are we gonna score". We could play two 6'8 shooters at the 4 and 5 for stretches with Gurley and Obanor, we could go big and play Ellis at the 2, Gurley at the 3, Obanor at the 4 and one of the kids at the 5........etc etc.
Just a lot of options. This list also shows why Gurley was such a huge add. He bridges a gap between our guard/forward guys and our forward/center guys as a guy who has proven to be able to play and defend small enough to guard the 3 but also play and defend big enough to guard 4s and even smaller 5s.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:23 am to rockiee
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Apparently the connected Arkansas reporters think we are in the top 3 or 4 right now for him but clearly not the favs. Any indication how Bama should feel about their odds?
We haven't gotten any info on him other than the Top 10.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:28 am to rushball
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i just dont see how were thin at guard. i dont know why so many posters are saying that. jq, jd, keon, nimari, miles, holt, and sometimes gary make us 7 deep
Ellis, Miles, and Holt are wings. Gary is in no way, shape, or form a guard. Assuming Burnett is a competent ball handler, that leaves us with him, JQ, and JD to run the show. One injury and you're a little bit of foul trouble away from having some less than ideal lineups out there on a regular basis.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:32 am to Robot Santa
Does anyone know when the anticipated general date of having all these moving parts nailed down is? I have to imagine relatively soon, right?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
yea pretty much. our lineup versatility is sick, arguably even more so on defense i think. our wings can guard bigger guys and our bigs can cover ball screens. jd even has the athleticism and size to guard most off guards.
also lord forbid but if we do get that homerun in a guy like obanor then between him, gurley, and frenchie the shooting and defense is still high level enough to play a guy like gary at the 3. if we dont then either way the roster is still versatile enough to deal with pretty much any style opposing teams will throw at us. to put short, oats has plenty options.
also lord forbid but if we do get that homerun in a guy like obanor then between him, gurley, and frenchie the shooting and defense is still high level enough to play a guy like gary at the 3. if we dont then either way the roster is still versatile enough to deal with pretty much any style opposing teams will throw at us. to put short, oats has plenty options.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:36 am to Robot Santa
''Ellis, Miles, and Holt are wings. Gary is in no way, shape, or form a guard. Assuming Burnett is a competent ball handler, that leaves us with him, JQ, and JD to run the show. One injury and you're a little bit of foul trouble away from having some less than ideal lineups out there on a regular basis.''
defensively gary can easily guard guards. i see him as
pretty much our next seasons herb in that regard. the issue is having the shooting to still space the floor, and we have enough high level shooting bigs then id say its rather easy to play gary at the 3.
having to give more time for miles or nimari is not less than ideal for me.
defensively gary can easily guard guards. i see him as
pretty much our next seasons herb in that regard. the issue is having the shooting to still space the floor, and we have enough high level shooting bigs then id say its rather easy to play gary at the 3.
having to give more time for miles or nimari is not less than ideal for me.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We haven't gotten any info on him other than the Top 10.
Gotcha, seems pretty quiet in general. Seeing some Tech leans but not sure how connected those rumors are
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:54 am to rockiee
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Gotcha, seems pretty quiet in general. Seeing some Tech leans but not sure how connected those rumors are
Yeah, I saw the rumor that Tech leads. File that under makes no damn sense. Transferring to a snail's pace offense for a guy that thrives at shooting the ball is just a horrible decision. They might make you look better defensively, but it won't matter when you regress offensively with no one like Abmas to draw attention off of you.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:55 am to BigBird09
Yea I don't get the Tech thing at all but who knows.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:17 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:34 pm to rushball
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defensively gary can easily guard guards. i see him as
pretty much our next seasons herb in that regard. the issue is having the shooting to still space the floor, and we have enough high level shooting bigs then id say its rather easy to play gary at the 3.
I love Gary as much as anyone on this board, but I don't think he has Herb's lateral agility. He has light feet and good defensive instincts so I think he can probably stay in front of guards in spurts when he needs to, but not for 20+ minutes nightly. He's an undersized forward until he proves he can handle the ball and shoot a bit. If he can do those things then it gives you more flexibility for what kind of lineups to play him in.
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having to give more time for miles or nimari is not less than ideal for me.
If Miles is as cavalier with the ball as he was last year we are completely fricked if he's having to run the offense for long stretches. Obviously if he has learned the value of protecting the ball that would make things a bit different, and I'd like to think the coaches have reason to believe that is the case if they're targeting bigs to fill out the roster, but knowing what we know at this moment I have no idea how you can be comfortable thinking that he might be our 3rd or 4th option as a primary ball handler. Shack isn't exactly a stellar ball handler himself, but he's not going to just throw the ball away 3-4 possessions in a row either.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:41 pm to Robot Santa
Like I think Gary is versatile and has some good switching abilities, but he cannot guard fluid SGs or PGs outside of giving some level of "semi-acceptable" defense on a pick an roll for 7 seconds.
I would not want to see him guarding a wing for multiple possessions - one because he wouldn't be great at it and two because it drags him away from rebounding at the rim.
I would not want to see him guarding a wing for multiple possessions - one because he wouldn't be great at it and two because it drags him away from rebounding at the rim.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:41 pm to BigBird09
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Yeah, I saw the rumor that Tech leads. File that under makes no damn sense. Transferring to a snail's pace offense for a guy that thrives at shooting the ball is just a horrible decision
They seem to have a real penchant for convincing guys that their pace and style of play aren't hugely problematic if your goal is the NBA.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Like I think Gary is versatile and has some good switching abilities, but he cannot guard fluid SGs or PGs outside of giving some level of "semi-acceptable" defense on a pick an roll for 7 seconds.
I would not want to see him guarding a wing for multiple possessions - one because he wouldn't be great at it and two because it drags him away from rebounding at the rim.
God that defense he played on Smart that last possession before halftime in the SEC title game still gives me a chubby
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:13 pm to mistaken4193
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God that defense he played on Smart that last possession before halftime in the SEC title game still gives me a chubby
He is one of those guys who has a burning desire to defend a guy - and because of that he is an excellent pick and roll guy on smaller guards and can give you a spot great out of position defensive possession (like he did on Smart).
I absolutely love the way he plays basketball.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
He has got such a junkyard dog mentality. He was great at getting offensive rebounds the last few games
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