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Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:36 pm to Robot Santa
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They'll obviously swing for some big names like a Scott Drew, Tony Bennett, Brad Stevens, Mark Few type of hire
Don't see Stevens going to UK. He would have taken the Indiana job in 21 if he wanted back into college coaching. He's from Indiana and went to college at DePauw in Indiana.
Few isn't leaving Gonzaga. He's a Northwest guy from Oregon. He's coaching his son right now too. Too many ties to the university and area.
I could see Drew or Bennett as possibilities. Drew is a Midwest guy but from Missouri not Texas. Bennett is a Wisconsin guy and has been at Virginia since 2009. Not sure the Bennett style will be what Kentucky wants though.
Don't think Oats would Leave Bama for UK. I see him waiting for a Big Ten blue blood if he ever leaves.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:42 pm to CrimsonFever
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One of those guys in the top 6 would no doubt take the job if offered.
Billy Donovan might take it, but he is no longer the name he once was. I'd argue Oats would be higher on their list for multiple reasons.
I don't think the odds are that great for the other 4 guys. Brad Stevens has been adamant about hating collegiate recruiting and seems perfectly happy in his front office position. Still a call you have to make. Mark Few has turned down a TON of money in his quest to become Coach K 2.0 (build a blue blood out of thin air).
Realistically, that leaves you with 2 options that would be considered by most a clear cut above Oats in Scott Drew and Tony Bennett, both of which have a long-standing relationship with their schools despite multiple top job openings.
I'm not saying we should hit the panic button if that job becomes available, but Alabama fans should have some level of concern, as well as Arkansas and even Auburn fans.
If I were the UK AD, Oats would check a ton of boxes. Young, great recruiter despite incomparable NIL opportunity, a lot of recent success at both the mid-major and high-major level, identifiable system that he knows how to recruit for, and still not reached his full potential (<10 years of collegiate coaching).
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:44 pm to DT55Forever1
I don't see Coach Oats even leaving then...I think he wants to build his own brand & legacy. We got the resources here for him to do just that.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:48 pm to DT55Forever1
quote:I think almost any CBB coach would leave for UK, except for those at a select 4-5 programs. I believe they'd aim for Musselman before Oats, though.
Don't think Oats would Leave Bama for UK.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:49 pm to BigBird09
They'd probably offer Musselman before Oats too, he has been to two Elite eights and has been killing it in recruiting at Arkansas.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:56 pm to CrimsonFever
top 25 college basketball coaches
Most lists like this didn't even have Oats in the top 25 coaches before this season started. After this year they of course should, I would have him in the top 10 personally, but I think we are a few years of him winning big away from having to worry about schools like Kentucky, Duke, UNC offering him a job imo.
Most lists like this didn't even have Oats in the top 25 coaches before this season started. After this year they of course should, I would have him in the top 10 personally, but I think we are a few years of him winning big away from having to worry about schools like Kentucky, Duke, UNC offering him a job imo.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 1:56 pm to CrimsonFever
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They'd probably offer Musselman before Oats too, he has been to two Elite eights and has been killing it in recruiting at Arkansas.
There are multiple other coaches they might offer before Oats, but those are all in the same tier as he is in my opinion. No one is claiming Oats as a frontrunner; simply that he checks almost every box an AD should look for in hiring a new coach.
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been killing it in recruiting at Arkansas
He's a great recruiter, no doubt, but we can't forget the massive difference in NIL opportunity between Alabama and Arkansas.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:00 pm to BigBird09
I thnk Musselman recruits so well because he outworks most coaches. A good player hits the portal Arkansas is one of the first to contact them always. These 5 stars they sign say Musselman called them personally EVERY DAY. I am sure Arkansas does offer some good NIL deals but thats definitley not the only reason, or even probably the main reason that they are killing it in recruiting.
I do agree that as far as coaching ability that Muss and Oats are both really good and in the same tier, but Musselman is 10 years older and has a better tournament resume.
I do agree that as far as coaching ability that Muss and Oats are both really good and in the same tier, but Musselman is 10 years older and has a better tournament resume.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:14 pm to CrimsonFever
Ya'll know that was hard for me to type as much as I hate that SOB.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:16 pm to CrimsonFever
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I thnk Musselman recruits so well because he outworks most coaches.
No one doubts that, and there's no doubt he'd recruit lights out at UK. My point is that Oats would recruit as well as just about any great recruiter would at UK. I doubt recruiting would be the focus on a UK hire, when they've been the best at it for well over the past decade and are looking to rid themselves of the guy who started that trend.
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I am sure Arkansas does offer some good NIL deals but thats definitley not the only reason, or even probably the main reason that they are killing it in recruiting.
Kids have chosen money over the coach/school when it put their college eligibility at risk. Now that it's legal, you better believe it's priority one for most top players. Not saying the school doesn't matter, but when most recruits decide between a few schools that they really like, you better believe the one with the best NIL offer wins the vast majority of the time. With this past recruiting cycle for us, that should be more evident than ever.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:21 pm to BigBird09
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Kids have chosen money over the coach/school when it put their college eligibility at risk. Now that it's legal, you better believe it's priority one for most top players. Not saying the school doesn't matter, but when most recruits decide between a few schools that they really like, you better believe the one with the best NIL offer wins the vast majority of the time. With this past recruiting cycle for us, that should be more evident than ever.
If Arkansas is offering so much NIL money in bball and having these great results, then why arent they in football? They didn't sign one top 100 recruit in football.
You cant convince me they care more about bball than football.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:27 pm to CrimsonFever
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If Arkansas is offering so much NIL money in bball and having these great results, then why arent they in football? They didn't sign one top 100 recruit in football.
You cant convince me they care more about bball than football.
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Kids have chosen money over the coach/school when it put their college eligibility at risk. Now that it's legal, you better believe it's priority one for most top players. Not saying the school doesn't matter, but when most recruits decide between a few schools that they really like, you better believe the one with the best NIL offer wins the vast majority of the time. With this past recruiting cycle for us, that should be more evident than ever
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:39 pm to BigBird09
I feel like this is diverting well away from my initial point. My point is that if we're judging between Oats and Musselman off of their most recent classes, it may look like a gap that is bigger than it actually is. Oats has publicly stated that the NIL has bent us over in this most recent recruiting class and transfer cycle while that's clearly not the case with Arkansas.
If I picked who the better recruiter is, I'd pick Musselman because of the relentlessness you mentioned. If I'm UK though, would the difference in recruiting ability make me lean toward Musselman? Not at all.
If I picked who the better recruiter is, I'd pick Musselman because of the relentlessness you mentioned. If I'm UK though, would the difference in recruiting ability make me lean toward Musselman? Not at all.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:40 pm to CrimsonFever
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You cant convince me they care more about bball than football.
There’s a reason why they have a natty in bball and not in football.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:41 pm to DT55Forever1
Oats would leave for UK if they break the bank and he's willing to deal with their nonsense. No program in Big 10 is that enticing.
With that said, it's a shame these ADs only look at the big names. There are some damn good coaches at smaller schools that earn a look.
With that said, it's a shame these ADs only look at the big names. There are some damn good coaches at smaller schools that earn a look.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:41 pm to CrimsonFever
Nobody thinks UK would go after Pearl?
Thats so sad. My AU friends tell me he's the greatest coach since Rupp.
Thats so sad. My AU friends tell me he's the greatest coach since Rupp.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:44 pm to TideCPA
UK would be smart to give Frank Vogel a look, he's won in the NBA and is an alum. Also only 49.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:46 pm to ArabianKnight
Nah, blue blood would never touch him. Which makes his salary so damn hilarious. Hell, Bama would never give him a look.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 2:50 pm to Crimsontide1713
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There’s a reason why they have a natty in bball and not in football.
They have a football NC.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 2:52 pm
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