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Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:17 pm to My2Bits
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:17 pm to My2Bits
JQ was the least of our problems the last game. And he had 2 or three great assists. The other guard and our center were the problems. Our interior defense is just plain bad. Same as last year. And our coaches need to sit down with our center and watch Timme set screens.
He gets a hit on someone every play, and only got called for a moving screen one time.
That is the first team we have played that made the little floaters in the lane. Those shots have been there every game. We just kind of back away from them and invite them to take the shots in the lane.
He gets a hit on someone every play, and only got called for a moving screen one time.
That is the first team we have played that made the little floaters in the lane. Those shots have been there every game. We just kind of back away from them and invite them to take the shots in the lane.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:51 pm to Bryant91092
I’ve seen the rumors but appears to start with a fairly low follow Twitter account. Muss said he was good to go for Wednesday game but he did sit the 2nd half on Saturday in a blowout.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:56 pm to CrimsonFever
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8. Tennessee
9. Alabama
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this horseshite. We have the same number of losses, we have the best win in college basketball, a much harder strength of schedule, our losses are way better than their's (they were blown out at home against an unranked Colorado team compared to both of ours being top 11 teams), and we both had our losses come at a similar point in the year so they can't claim UT has been better as of late.
It doesn't matter, but it's frustrating to see nonetheless.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:06 pm to Robot Santa
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Is he hurt or did a "family advisor" get in his ear about protecting his draft stock?
He went to the locker room a little early in Saturdays game but from all accounts after the game, he could have gone back in if needed.
If he truly does sit out the rest of the year, its not because he isn't hurt. Probably our biggest cheerleader on the bench before he played this year.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:08 pm to BigBird09
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It doesn't matter, but it's frustrating nonetheless.
Yeah, never understood why so many focus on the rankings. I could probably tell you a team's kenpom rank before I could their AP rank
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:22 pm to IB4bama
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JQ was the least of our problems the last game
He had 3 turnovers in 12 minutes. Bradley had 2 in 31 minutes. JQ just dribbles himself into trouble entirely too often. He doesn't play under control, and he doesn't play like his job is to pass the ball to the open guy. He plays like he's the first option to take a shot on every possession and only relinquishes the ball when he doesn't have another option.
There was a point in Quinerly's career here where he was that first option, prior to his injury and partly due to who was surrounding him. He's not that guy anymore, it would be a lot better for the team if he could realize that. Playing to his strengths will go hand in hand with playing to the teams strengths. The guy is one of the best dribblers in college basketball but he gets way too caught up in it and gets tunnel vision and resorts to 1v1 way too much.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:28 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Out of High Major point guards JQ is #2 nationally in turnover rate at 30%
He's shooting 27% from 3PT, 31% from 2PT% and 64% at the FT line.
In the SEC amongst guards he is
- #1 in Turnover Rate
- #46 out of 48 in effective FG%
- #47 out of 48 in true shooting %
- #47 out of 48 in box plus minus
- #47 out of 48 in offensive rating
He's just not a guy who can you put on the floor right now. I know we are trying to get him comfortable and I get it, but at this point you really have to pick your spots with him because he is just not comfortable yet and it's costing us a whole bunch of points when he plays.
He's shooting 27% from 3PT, 31% from 2PT% and 64% at the FT line.
In the SEC amongst guards he is
- #1 in Turnover Rate
- #46 out of 48 in effective FG%
- #47 out of 48 in true shooting %
- #47 out of 48 in box plus minus
- #47 out of 48 in offensive rating
He's just not a guy who can you put on the floor right now. I know we are trying to get him comfortable and I get it, but at this point you really have to pick your spots with him because he is just not comfortable yet and it's costing us a whole bunch of points when he plays.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I knew it was really bad but I didn't realize it was quote that bad. Sheesh
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:40 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I knew it was really bad but I didn't realize it was quote that bad. Sheesh
Maybe the worst part when included with those numbers?
#2 out of 48 in usage rate
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yep. It's all a really unfortunate situation since most of the games where we could have afforded to play him more came early in our OOC schedule, but at some point you also have to look at the total body of work and acknowledge that 2020-2021 has been the exception. I understand that he's coming back from a serious injury, but that isn't something that is forcing him to dribble himself into trouble or take ill-advised shots, both of which have been a recurring theme with JQ his entire career aside from a couple of months two seasons ago.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:42 pm to Robot Santa
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Yep. It's all a really unfortunate situation since most of the games where we could have afforded to play him more came early in our OOC schedule, but at some point you also have to look at the total body of work and acknowledge that 2020-2021 has been the exception. I understand that he's coming back from a serious injury, but that isn't something that is forcing him to dribble himself into trouble or take ill-advised shots, both of which have been a recurring theme with JQ his entire career aside from a couple of months two seasons ago.
He just can't seem to be on the floor and not try to make things happen. I love the general "no conscious" type of attitude, especially in a point guard, but he's reached Wendell Green Jr levels of it so far this season. I just don't think it is possible for him to play and not play the way he plays.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Sweet Jesus that’s bad. As others have said, him getting hot from January on in our SEC championship season appears to definitely be the exception and not the norm.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Based on roster construction, I don’t think the staff can really make him a 9th or 10th guy off the bench like Pringle unless they play Bradley 35+ minutes. Sears is so much better off the ball and I don’t think he offers near the same value as the 1 versus the 2 so JQ kinda has to play minutes.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:46 pm to Bryant91092
The biggest difference this year compared to every other year is the turnover stuff. The good shooting was a 2020-21 outlier, but he's never been a huge turnover guy.
2019 (Nova) - 20.8%
2020 - 20.2%
2021 - 21.3%
2022 - 30.0%
And he also was pretty consistent as a 2PT shooter (finishing at the rim, mainly).
2019 (Nova) - 45.7%
2020 - 50.8%
2021 - 51.6%
2022 - 30.6%
He's gone from average at both of those to worst in the SEC (along with the 3PT shooting being "normal").
I do think the turnover/finishing at the rim stuff is rust related and I think/hope that it improves as he just plays more and gets more comfortable. If he's a positive Assist/TO ratio guy who shoots 50% from 2PT and 27% from 3PT then that's an acceptable situation for a 15 minute a night backup PG. But it has to get better because this is not sustainable.
2019 (Nova) - 20.8%
2020 - 20.2%
2021 - 21.3%
2022 - 30.0%
And he also was pretty consistent as a 2PT shooter (finishing at the rim, mainly).
2019 (Nova) - 45.7%
2020 - 50.8%
2021 - 51.6%
2022 - 30.6%
He's gone from average at both of those to worst in the SEC (along with the 3PT shooting being "normal").
I do think the turnover/finishing at the rim stuff is rust related and I think/hope that it improves as he just plays more and gets more comfortable. If he's a positive Assist/TO ratio guy who shoots 50% from 2PT and 27% from 3PT then that's an acceptable situation for a 15 minute a night backup PG. But it has to get better because this is not sustainable.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I just don't think it is possible for him to play and not play the way he plays.
I don't either. I think his role on this team should be secondary ball handler/off ball guard who is tasked with cutting to the basket and spotting up from 3, but I don't think he is capable of playing like that. It's just getting to a point where it feels like JQ is a scratch-off ticket and Oats is a degenerate gambler who has spent $10,000 trying to win another $10,000 on a ticket like he did that one time a couple of years ago. In theory it could happen, but odds are he's just going to spend a lot more money on nothing.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:52 pm to Robot Santa
JQ at the rim : 4/13 (30.8%)
NCAA Average at the rim : 63.8%
I mean, that's clearly rust and knee stuff, right?
NCAA Average at the rim : 63.8%
I mean, that's clearly rust and knee stuff, right?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 4:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean, that's clearly rust and knee stuff, right?
It's the knee. The question is will it get better this year (or ever)
JQ used to get relatively open looks at the rim because he had the footspeed to just dart past defenders. That doesn't appear to be there anymore, so he's taking contested shots and you're seeing a lot of them get blocked. If his thought process what's drive/pass instead of drive/shoot he would be a better fit, but when he gets in his head he's going to get a shot off, he's going to get a shot off
Posted on 12/19/22 at 4:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean, that's clearly rust and knee stuff, right?
Clearly? No. A lot of his misses at the rim have been DOA because there was nothing there and he took the shot anyway. His play style is definitely hampered by a knee that isn't 100%, but his shot selection this season has been atrocious even for a guy who has alwsys had a tendency to take heat checks immediately after making anything.
Now, something being there if his knee was 100% is certainly a possibility, but regardless of whether that is the case he has to stop doing this shite where the ball has to navigate its way through 3 sets of arms just to get to the rim.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 4:03 pm to Robot Santa
Some people just seem too "ooh" and "aah" at some of the passes he's made this year and that tends to make them forget about the 2 TOs that he's made trying to get off a pass like that. Like I've said multiple times this year, Oats needs to start him off in an off-ball role until he shakes off this funk. If Bradley, Sears, or Miller is in, you have to run the offense through them. It's gotten to the point where 90% of JQ ISOs turn into a wild shot or a TO, both of which have had an extremely high frequency of turning into 2 or 3 points on the other end.
The one prop I will give him though, is that he's trying his arse off on the defensive end. He was a massive liability on that end, and even with him coming back off an ACL injury, he has looked extremely improved on that end. I have a feeling that is why Oats keeps putting him back out there. If he was playing the same level of defense as he has previously, there is no chance he'd be seeing the floor.
The one prop I will give him though, is that he's trying his arse off on the defensive end. He was a massive liability on that end, and even with him coming back off an ACL injury, he has looked extremely improved on that end. I have a feeling that is why Oats keeps putting him back out there. If he was playing the same level of defense as he has previously, there is no chance he'd be seeing the floor.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 4:06 pm to BigBird09
100% agree - he's giving max effort on both ends and seems to be doing his best on the bench to be a positive part of things as well. I think he's doing everything that Oats and Co. have asked of him, he just is who he is and the way he plays is not conducive to being a step slow or a split second behind in recognizing stuff.
Oats clearly wants to let him figure it out so he can be useful down the road, but also just because I think he wants him to figure it out because he likes him and wants it for him.
But man, I dunno how much longer they can do this.
Oats clearly wants to let him figure it out so he can be useful down the road, but also just because I think he wants him to figure it out because he likes him and wants it for him.
But man, I dunno how much longer they can do this.
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