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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:30 pm to
I know it sounds ridiculous, but I wouldn't mind seeing Dioubate immediately put on Broome if he shows any sign of starting to work over Wague and/or Pringle (assuming he plays). Tolu Smith looked super annoyed and frustrated by Dioubate constantly working to deny entry.
Posted by Teague
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:38 pm to
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but I wouldn't mind seeing Dioubate immediately put on Broome


I think our fans need to pump the brakes a little on Dioubate. He's tough and a good rebounder, for his size. But, he's also an undersized 4 that is going to struggle mightily trying to defend a good 5 post player. And his offense is early Herb level.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:45 pm to
He is a lot better on offense than Herb was as a freshman. Dioubate is averaging 16 points per every 40 minutes he plays, Herb as a freshman averaged 8 points per 40 minutes.

Herb was a better defender than Dioubate.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:48 pm to
Herb also had to play in Avery's stand around 1997 NBA offense his freshman year. I'm guessing if he shows up as a freshman with Oats his game looks a lot like Mo's on offense.

Mo does appear to be a better finisher than Herb was most of his career.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:50 pm to
True but even under Oats as a JR Herb averaged 12 points per 40 minutes.

Herb did average 16 points per 40 minutes as a SR. Dioubate is averaging that as a freshman, so I would say he is further along on the offensive side of the ball than Herb was at the same point in his career.

Herb was good on offense as a SR.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:51 pm to
Shooting percentages this year split a bunch of different ways. Certainly the most consistently good and across board good shooting team Oats has had.



We've definitely shot it worse from deep on the road, though. Significantly. We are #345 in home/road difference.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:54 pm to
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I think our fans need to pump the brakes a little on Dioubate


It’s the fact that he looked entirely lost in the OOC games now he keeps showing flashes at an increasing rate. I think Oats would love for Jarin and/or Mo-D to really emerge as a 4 to bolster the rebounding and rim protection
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:55 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

I think our fans need to pump the brakes a little on Dioubate. He's tough and a good rebounder, for his size. But, he's also an undersized 4 that is going to struggle mightily trying to defend a good 5 post player. And his offense is early Herb level.


I think he's got a clear role on this team as a firestarter off the bench. Matchups will probably dictate how much he plays. His slashing ability is definitely going to be a big piece moving forward in games where teams just decided to overplay the perimeter and lock down the rim. He is athletic enough to get into creases and cause issues with that style. We really don't have another guy with that ability on this roster.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:56 pm to
I posted this before but Dioubate led EYBL in points at the rim

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Most points scored around the rim (309) according to Synergy Sports on the EYBL circuit


From his profile on RollTide.com

Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

I think our fans need to pump the brakes a little on Dioubate. He's tough and a good rebounder, for his size. But, he's also an undersized 4 that is going to struggle mightily trying to defend a good 5 post player. And his offense is early Herb level.


All of our guys struggle mightily to defend a good 5. I mean Pringle and Wague need 10 fouls to last 30 collective minutes against a good 5 and I think Nelson is too valuable to waste fouls and send to the bench early in this game.

Dioubate is light years ahead of Herb's first two years at Alabama offensively. Herb wasn't beating anyone off the dribble his first 2 years in college. Junior year he showed signs and Senior year Herb started to blossom a good bit in iso dribble penetration, but he still threw up some stuff that looked like missiles going off the backboard.. That said, I have never seen someone cover 4 guys in one possession except Herb Jones and he became an extremely well rounded player by his senior season.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:58 pm to
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I posted this before but Dioubate led EYBL in points at the rim



Yea, his length ability at the rim is going to be a big part in helping us bust open teams that try and defend us the way a lot of teams have.

Mark and Estrada can get to the rim, but they are too small to effectively finish against bigs who don't budge or help from big 4s. Mo can.

Wednesday will probably be a chance for him to do that.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:59 pm to
I think I'd rather let our bigs go solo on Broome Wednesday night than double down and leave shooters open, similar to last game.

Make him score 30. Guard the rest.

Rtr
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:02 pm to
I know I am on repeat here in agreeing, but I am yet to see anyone stop Dioubate from getting to the rim when he wants to go. That has been the case for over a month now. Does he miss some bunnies, sure... But is he out of control? No.
Posted by Teague
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:12 pm to
Look, all I'm saying is some of you guys after one game thought Nelson was going to leave in the middle of the year and go straight to the NBA all-star game. Two months later the same people were down on him for not being a superstar.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, because I don't take notes. But, let's try to be realistic about Dioubate. I like him. I think he's earning a role, especially since Pringle is a part time player, and with Wague's injury. But, don't set expectations on him and then get disappointed when he can't meet them.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:13 pm to
It would be hard for me to make any definite statements about Dioubate with the minutes he's played, mostly when games are over. But it does look promising.
Posted by bamagoat
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:16 pm to
Mo-D is a freshman, but he is 20 years old. Herb was 19 years old when he was a freshman.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:18 pm to
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Make him score 30

He's an extremely talented player, no doubt.

Last go-round he had 25 in 26 minutes. Smith had 23 points against us the other night.

A big difference is that we took 68 shots against Auburn two weeks ago, and 83 against State.

That's obviously our weakest spot on the floor, but if we can consistently make baskets, I'll trade his 11-12 post-ups for our 15 made-threes every time.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:22 pm to
Even at 20 Herb was pretty raw on offense. He improved a lot offensively his JR and SR years and has continued to improve the last few years in the NBA. He’s shooting 40% from 3 this season.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:27 pm
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:27 pm to
That's totally fair and in general I agree with you. Dioubate is going to have moments when he struggles as a freshman and he is probably going to start seeing defenses pack it in when he touches the ball because he has limited shooting skills. Im not attempting to overhype the guy. He doesn't have a ton of offensive tools except for a reliable handle for a wing and he gets to rim fairly easily. But I do think Oats has known something about him all year long and has continued to try to find his spots for him. I love the way he rebounds and I think he is naturally one of those guys who annoys the hell out of you when he defends.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:34 pm to
Herb missed something like his last 24 three-pointers at Ala. That's sort of hard to do. Amazing how well he shoots today
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