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Thoughts on the offense
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:18 am
I find it interesting that a lot of people are concerned about our "boom or bust" offense and the lack of throwing over the middle of the field.
For one, I think the college game is predicated on big plays more so than the NFL. The inexperience of players can lead to drive killer penalties, so the explosive play helps keep drives short and the likelihood of mistakes down. Sure, you want to see your team control the ball when they need to do it. This is why the 2020 offense was the best in school history: they could score in a minute or in seven minutes if the game dictated it; they could switch gears mid-game if need be. However, if I had to choose between a ball control offense or explosive offense in college ball...I'm choosing the explosive one if my life depended on it.
I said this in the game thread but wanted to reiterate that it is harder to throw over the middle of the field when teams often deploy spies or shallow zone coverage with their linebackers to keep an eye on your athletic quarterback. I don't think Milroe is the best short to medium range passer we've had in the last decade but there are some extenuating factors that lead to him throwing those quick slants and crossers more infrequently than Young, Jones, or Tagovailoa. Especially since Milroe is such a great deep ball thrower, opponents are going to keep bodies around the LOS to bottle him up but use their backend to keep the over the top throws contained too. That means most of your possession passing opportunities are going to be short and outside the hashes. As long as Milroe is throwing them such that the receiver has an opportunity to quickly get up field and make a man miss then it will be effective enough to force the defense to respect those throws then hit them up the seam like on the Cuevas touchdown.
Frankly, if the Wisconsin game with our "real" OL is an indication of what our offense suppose to look like then I'd say our staff has crafted an approach that suits Milroe's talents and causes the most constraints on the typical approaches to frustrating Milroe. He's never going to be our last three quarterbacks but at least he's working with an offensive staff that knows how to scheme around his abilities to get everyone else involved. I don't think Hollywood is going to be shopping for a better deal this offseason like Isiah Bond was this past offseason. The WRs are going to get opportunities in this offense that helps add value to their draft stock.
For one, I think the college game is predicated on big plays more so than the NFL. The inexperience of players can lead to drive killer penalties, so the explosive play helps keep drives short and the likelihood of mistakes down. Sure, you want to see your team control the ball when they need to do it. This is why the 2020 offense was the best in school history: they could score in a minute or in seven minutes if the game dictated it; they could switch gears mid-game if need be. However, if I had to choose between a ball control offense or explosive offense in college ball...I'm choosing the explosive one if my life depended on it.
I said this in the game thread but wanted to reiterate that it is harder to throw over the middle of the field when teams often deploy spies or shallow zone coverage with their linebackers to keep an eye on your athletic quarterback. I don't think Milroe is the best short to medium range passer we've had in the last decade but there are some extenuating factors that lead to him throwing those quick slants and crossers more infrequently than Young, Jones, or Tagovailoa. Especially since Milroe is such a great deep ball thrower, opponents are going to keep bodies around the LOS to bottle him up but use their backend to keep the over the top throws contained too. That means most of your possession passing opportunities are going to be short and outside the hashes. As long as Milroe is throwing them such that the receiver has an opportunity to quickly get up field and make a man miss then it will be effective enough to force the defense to respect those throws then hit them up the seam like on the Cuevas touchdown.
Frankly, if the Wisconsin game with our "real" OL is an indication of what our offense suppose to look like then I'd say our staff has crafted an approach that suits Milroe's talents and causes the most constraints on the typical approaches to frustrating Milroe. He's never going to be our last three quarterbacks but at least he's working with an offensive staff that knows how to scheme around his abilities to get everyone else involved. I don't think Hollywood is going to be shopping for a better deal this offseason like Isiah Bond was this past offseason. The WRs are going to get opportunities in this offense that helps add value to their draft stock.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:52 am to Diego Ricardo
No rhythm or identity. Milroe running 15 times a game is more than risky. We are one high ankle sprain from having to develop a new offense. We need to use the rb’s more. Justice only getting three carries is an injustice.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:54 am to Bamafig
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We are one high ankle sprain from having to develop a new offense
I watched Ty come in and run an already developed different offense. Don't think we'd have to add much, just turn the play card over.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:03 pm to bamatide07
I have zero concern about Simpson having to come in and play for Milroe due to injury. It would only mean more carries for Justice and Jam.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:18 pm to JIB
Alabama's offense leads the nation in TDs per play - .1111 (repeating). So 21 TDs on only 189 plays. Alabama is ranked around 110th in plays per game on offense. Bama is ranked 16th in 3rd down conversion. What's that mean? Well, Bama usually scores or gets a 3 and out.
I would love to see stats on what percent of drives every team has that end in TDs when there's no penalty or turnover. I feel like Bama would be leading in that.
I would love to see stats on what percent of drives every team has that end in TDs when there's no penalty or turnover. I feel like Bama would be leading in that.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:21 pm to Diego Ricardo
A little clunky but not BoB clunky
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:23 pm to Glorious
The clunkiness with this team is more related to the fact that Jalen just doesn't see the short middle of the field. That means if the other stuff isn't there then we aren't going to get 3-4 yards and stay in 2nd and 6 or 3rd and 3.
We were definitely less clunky last weekend with the full OL as we consistently ran for 3+ yards on RB runs, which is helpful. But I think the biggest drawback with Jalen (amidst a ton of positives) is that you just have to kind of accept that the tradeoff for big plays with his arm and legs is you are going to have some drives where he just doesn't see anything and it flips over quick.
We were definitely less clunky last weekend with the full OL as we consistently ran for 3+ yards on RB runs, which is helpful. But I think the biggest drawback with Jalen (amidst a ton of positives) is that you just have to kind of accept that the tradeoff for big plays with his arm and legs is you are going to have some drives where he just doesn't see anything and it flips over quick.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:44 pm to Diego Ricardo
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For one, I think the college game is predicated on big plays more so than the NFL.
Sir, have you seen the 2024 New Orleans Saints?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Seems solid and fair.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But I think the biggest drawback with Jalen (amidst a ton of positives) is that you just have to kind of accept that the tradeoff for big plays with his arm and legs is you are going to have some drives where he just doesn't see anything and it flips over quick.
I agree with this. My thought watching the game Saturday was that Jalen's ceiling is higher than any other QB's on our roster, but his floor is likely lower than some.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:38 pm to CrimsonBoz
I suspect that the staff (OC & HC) will continue to stay away from middle of the field (short to mid) and slants at or inside the wide side hash. The geometry of Milroe's throwing motion just does not work for those throws.
Where SImpson has an over-the-top throwing motion, Milroe has a 3/4 whip release. Milroe needs to find throwing lanes between OL/DL & pass rush lanes. That does not work well for shorter throws between the hashes.
Additionally, Milroe steps 20 degrees to the left of his target rather than toward the target. The side step further lowers his release point. When he throws short between the hashes, the ball will likely be on a rising plane. With even a slight overthrow, it is a safety's dream.
The 20 degree step and the 3/4 whip release adds alot of torso power to his throws so they get down the field with very good velocity. However, if you take a little juice off of the throw for shorter passes, the throw accuracy takes a big hit.
Milroe has a release point on his ball that tends to be about 9 inches lower than that of Simpson. Throwing over the middle is far more dangerous for Milroe.
Where SImpson has an over-the-top throwing motion, Milroe has a 3/4 whip release. Milroe needs to find throwing lanes between OL/DL & pass rush lanes. That does not work well for shorter throws between the hashes.
Additionally, Milroe steps 20 degrees to the left of his target rather than toward the target. The side step further lowers his release point. When he throws short between the hashes, the ball will likely be on a rising plane. With even a slight overthrow, it is a safety's dream.
The 20 degree step and the 3/4 whip release adds alot of torso power to his throws so they get down the field with very good velocity. However, if you take a little juice off of the throw for shorter passes, the throw accuracy takes a big hit.
Milroe has a release point on his ball that tends to be about 9 inches lower than that of Simpson. Throwing over the middle is far more dangerous for Milroe.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:37 pm to Tw1st3d
This is like doing geometry all over again for me. Got me crushing # to figure out the velocity of the ball.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
There’s not enough practice time to fully develop two offenses at once
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:42 pm to Panthers4life
If you want to get to the velocity calculation you will need physics and algebra.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:45 pm to Bamafig
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There’s not enough practice time to fully develop two offenses at once
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:57 pm to Bamafig
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There’s not enough practice time to fully develop two offenses at once
We don't run a wildly different offense, we just prioritize different parts of it.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I hate heavyweights with knockout punches.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:06 pm to Sauron
Jalen has done a better job this year with dumping it off. 90% of the time he's going to do the right thing and within that 90% he's going to do it on a high level - he's the best running QB in the country and can throw it deep as good as anyone. His TD to Bernard in the end zone was 53 yards in the air and was perfectly placed. His other 2 TDs were also pinpoint accurate.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 3:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We haven’t even nailed down the offense for Milroe! Don’t get distracted by big plays against overmatched teams. At some point, we are going to have to make long sustained drives.
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