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re: The future direction of the program

Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:24 pm to
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Give me the guy that can win big games.


Hell, yeah! Unfortunately, we can’t hire a coach that can win big games until 2026 at the earliest. We just have to hope for the best with the hand Byrne has dealt us.

Looking back, one more win would have gotten us in the Playoffs. In that context, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, and Tennessee sound like, “big games,” to me. And Tennessee is a big game every year.

Also, if a coach at Alabama has got to “figure out,” Vanderbilt, I don’t have good news for you about what that means for figuring out anything else.

We’ll see what happens though. Let’s hope he shows Milroe and Sheridan and the OLine coach the door. That will be a good sign that we’re moving in the right direction from this point.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:25 pm to
They're playing OhioSt in the semis, so we'll see.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:27 pm to
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if a coach at Alabama has got to “figure out,” Vanderbilt,


So obviously you felt the same way about Kirby when Vandy mercy-kneed uga between the hedges his 1st year, yes?

And when he lost to Butch fricking Jones?

And when he lost to Kentucky?

What did you think about Kirby when Tom Herman pants'd him in the Sugar Bowl?
Tom Herman.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:43 pm to
Meh, I don’t remember how I particularly felt about Kirby after any of those games. That’s Georgia and I was never personally invested enough to care a whole lot.

But, I don’t think I ever got the sense that Kirby’s program was as disorganized, weak, undisciplined, under-developing, and overall-unprepared as what I’ve seen from us, this season. I never got the feeling Kirby was inexperienced in the SEC and in over his head.

But, your point is noted.

Maybe he turns it around in year 2. I hope so.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:46 pm to
I think even if we run the table and win the big trophy next year there will be fans, especially older fans, who will still paint a scarlet V on DeBoer’s head for daring to subject them to the embarrassment, the abject humiliation, of losing to Vanderbilt. They will never let go of that.

The reality is that with NIL and the portal, the old rules and expectations about who’s traditionally supposed to be good and who isn’t don’t exist anymore, and that is why I have said I hope that the biggest thing DeBoer learns from this season is that he’s got to have us ready for every conference game, without deviation or exception, because moving forward none of them, even against Vandy, can be treated as a sure win just by showing up and out talenting people.

Oklahoma was a way bigger black mark for him than Vandy.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:50 pm to
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who will still paint a scarlet V on DeBoer’s head for daring to subject them to the embarrassment, the abject humiliation, of losing to Vanderbilt. They will never let go of that.

Agreed.
It's like they despise him because people in their office got to rub their nose in shite for that loss. I think that's the well-spring from which their Fandom flows. Talking shite in the office.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:55 pm to
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I never got the feeling Kirby was inexperienced in the SEC and in over his head.


Even after only beating Nicholls State by 2, losing to Butch Jones, Vandy, getting blown out by a 5-7 Ole Miss team and losing to GaTech at home?

What would "in over his head" have looked like in his first year then??

Man... that's a lot of leash you were willing to give Kirby it appears. And you want DeBoer gone now?
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:14 pm to
Damn, Scooter. I don’t recall every play from Kirby’s first year at UGA nor what I thought about him after each of them. I was never invested enough in their program to care or give any “leash.”

To answer your question, I don’t like Deboer. I didn’t like the hire. I thought it was a lazy hire (which was actually kind of understandable from the context that the guy who follows a legend is almost always a gap hire). And, based on what we’ve seen this season, I still don’t think it was a great hire and (at this moment in time) I don’t think he is going to be here longer than three seasons. I don’t think he’s going to be fired now and I don’t expect it. That’s unrealistic. I also wouldn’t be sad if it did happen (so long as Byrne isn’t making the new hire).

Having said that, I concede your point (again). Kirby didn’t have a great first year and turned things around. Many others have done so. Maybe, Deboer can do that. I certainly hope so. I will happy to be proven wrong and will eat all the crow you dish out if that ends up happening.

As I said, previously, let’s see if he shows Milroe, Sheridan, and the OLine coach the door. That will be good sign that he’s heading in that direction.

I know he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. I hope we go undefeated and win it all, next year, with him at the helm.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:44 pm to
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I hope we go undefeated and win it all, next year, with him at the helm.


That’s what all of us want.

Tempers are just hot right now and people are pissed off and venting. And I can’t remember having a player who was as polarizing a figure as Milroe has become.

I also think no one expected Saban to be around forever, but I think there was an expectation that what he built would continue the exact same way just with a different coach at the helm, but that hope IMO was naive and misplaced.

Throw in the fact that the college football world has turned completely topsy turvy from the sport we all grew up loving.

But the thing is we get to do it again in 240 days.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:21 pm to
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Oklahoma was a way bigger black mark for him than Vandy.
Agreed!
The fact that Oklahoma used some of the same plays & schemes Vandy used to beat us, tells me CKD & staff were completely out coached and got their arse kicked by a very mediocre OU team.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:23 pm to
Vandy honestly was one of those nights. We absolutely should have won, but you are going to have those nights. Saban had them.

But with what was at stake, the failure to have the team properly prepared for Oklahoma was inexcusable. Period. And it was a complete systemic failure.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:43 pm to
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let’s see if he shows Milroe, Sheridan, and the OLine coach the door.


One down.

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I don’t recall every play from Kirby’s first year at UGA


Obviously. Or you wouldn't say stupid shite like Kirby not looking in over his head. Or even stupider shite like DeBoer should be fired.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 3:47 pm
Posted by bamafan1953
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:52 pm to
Vandy loss wasn't as big a disappointment to me as the OK and Michigan games were. Those were beyond embarrassing and there was really no excuse.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:05 pm to
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Obviously. Or you wouldn't say stupid shite like Kirby not looking in over his head.


Nope, I never thought Kirby was in over his head.

Since you have stated that you think that’s a stupid take, we can infer from it that you thought Kirby was, in fact, in over his head at UGA, his first year. Your words dictate it.

How did that work out for you? You’re not quite the evaluator of coaching acumen that you think you are and you certainly shouldn’t be calling others’ takes stupid.

Deboer isn’t Kirby. Kirby learned from the best and spent over a decade in the SEC as a coach and coordinator, coached in the NFL, had some of the best defenses in all of college football, won multiple SEC Championships and National Championships. He knew, “The Process,” and studied it and implemented it to a tee.

Meanwhile, the clown we hired got run off the field by his own player without consequence; refused to change quarterbacks when it was painfully obvious that not doing so would cost us games- even after the dumb son of a bitch was responsible for 100 damn turnovers in 3 games; refused to make difficult decisions in the best interest of his team; lost 2 games he shouldn’t have because he was woefully unprepared and had his team unprepared and thought he would win just by showing up; consistently looks lost on the sideline and talks about what he sees in his players’ eyes as justification for his refusal to make necessary changes; his team is consistently undisciplined; he can’t even dress himself without looking like a fricking bum. His only qualification was that he won an intramural flag-football championship and had 2 decent seasons at a Pac12 team- oh, and he beat Sark.

Nope. That clown ain’t Kirby.

What in the actual hell have you seen from Kalen Deboer that makes you think he’s anywhere near Kirby in terms of coaching ability and the ability to lead a top-program or even one that’s not in the Mountain West Conference? You don’t ever need to call someone else’s take stupid, again, you dumb motherfricker.

I’ve already explicitly stated that I don’t expect him to be fired before the end of year 3 and that I hope he can turn it around before then. At this moment in time, I don’t have any reason to think that he can (and neither do you- it’s just blind hope), but I hope he does and I hope he changes some things and succeeds. Everyone- including me- will be happy.

When someone is agreeing with you in that aspect (which is the most important), just take it. We don’t have to agree that Kalen Deboer is the second coming of Nick Saban. You can take your ironically-snotty comments and shove them straight up your **** arse, message board frickboy.



This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 7:35 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:26 pm to
The Process is irrelevant, whether it’s operated by Kirby Smart or anyone else, moving forward in a college football world where the players and coaches have equal clout.

I actually respect your comments a great deal, but I think you like a lot of other people are missing the fact that the world has changed and isn’t changing back.

Again, there is zero way Nick Saban could do what he did at Alabama from 2007 to 2023 in this new world. The old world in which he operated is gone forever. And that’s why he’s having a lot more headache free life on ESPN right now.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7669 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:27 pm to
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Since you have stated that you think that’s a stupid take, we can infer from it that you thought Kirby was, in fact, in over his head at UGA, his first year. Your words dictate it.


No dipshit. And I would expect nothing less than dumb fricking drivel from you.

I am saying it's too early to judge DeBoer based on one year. Referencing Kirby is a warning to not judge early. As you have stupidly done.

DeBoEr iSnT KiRbY!

Really?

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We don’t have to agree that Kalen Deboer is the second coming of Nick Saban.


With whom would you be agreeing? Nobody is saying that you intellectual fricking dwarf.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2557 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:48 pm to
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TL;DR


I thought it was too long for you to read, boy.

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quote:

Since you have stated that you think that’s a stupid take, we can infer from it that you thought Kirby was, in fact, in over his head at UGA, his first year. Your words dictate it.
No dipshit. And I would expect nothing less than dumb fricking drivel from you.


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Obviously. Or you wouldn't say stupid shite like Kirby not looking in over his head.


So, me saying that I didn’t think Kirby looked like he was in over his head in his first year wasn’t stupid, after all.

Make up your mind, boy.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7669 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:57 pm to
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looking in over his head.


One could have easily surmised at the time, by judging Kirby as you are stupidly judging DeBoer in his first year, that he was in over his head.

Anyway, I changed my mind and read the 1st few sentences. After realizing it was as intellectually hollow as the rest of your posts I almost stopped but against my better judgment soldiered through the twaddle.

The point of me asking you about how you felt about Kirby is perhaps it isn't wise to judge a coach by year 1 because Kirby has turned it around and been very successful. I assumed you weren't a cognitive troglodyte, and for that I truly apologize. It won't happen again.


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So, me saying that I didn’t think Kirby looked like he was in over his head in his first year wasn’t stupid, after all.


Yes. Yes, it was. But that's to be expected.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 5:59 pm
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2557 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 6:24 pm to
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The point of me asking you about how you felt about Kirby is perhaps it isn't wise to judge a coach by year 1 because Kirby has turned it around and been very successful.


But, that’s not what you said. You asked me how I felt about Kirby in year 1 and I said I don’t recall, exactly, but I don’t remember ever thinking he was in over his head.

Then, you said that was, “stupid shite.”

But, then- inexplicably- you said you also didn’t think Kirby was in over his head in his first year- the exact same sentiment you called, “stupid shite.”

If it was, “stupid shite,” why did you not hold a different opinion? Are you fricking stupid? You don’t have to answer that.

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So, me saying that I didn’t think Kirby looked like he was in over his head in his first year wasn’t stupid, after all.
Yes. Yes, it was. But that's to be expected.


And, now, having confirmed that you agree you didn’t think Kirby was in over his head in his first year, you, again, call the sentiment- one which you, yourself, held- stupid…. while disparaging the intellectual capacity of another who held the same opinion. You’re talking in circles.

What a dumb motherfricker you are.

You’re really not the Aristotle you fancy yourself as being in your own mind.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2557 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 6:32 pm to
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perhaps it isn't wise to judge a coach by year 1 because Kirby has turned it around and been very successful.


Let’s agree that we both hope Deboer turns it around and is successful and leave it, there.

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