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Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:04 pm to UhOhOreo
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:04 pm to UhOhOreo
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You're absolutely kidding yourself if you haven't noticed the trend in the offense this year when Tua comes in.
EXACTLY the same ypa as Hurts against Fresno State.
Zero yards on 1/4 passing against Colorado State.
Great game against Vandy where he entered up 38-0
Yeah, night and day.
I'd laugh, but this entire post is a prime example of where our fans make statements based on their personal biases that are easily disproven by actual facts.
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:05 pm to UhOhOreo
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Listen, I love Jalen and I don't foresee him losing the job this year. That being said, he won't have it next year.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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However Jalen is not trusted to make those throws,
Except he is made them in every game this year and in most games last year.
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What happens when we're in an LSU 2014
We were just last year. Jalen was clutch, and won the game for us.
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The defense bailed us out a ton last year, but it isn't the same defense this year.
Every single year, with every QB we've had under Saban, has been bailed out by the defense multiple times.
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However he's guaranteed to lose it next year unless something changes.
okay. This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:29 pm to JustGetItRight
No matter what any of you people think, Jalen is the QB unless he has an epic meltdown or gets injured. For some reason some of you believe the coaches are just drooling over those 2 good passes against Vandy, they're not and the second the game was over were prepping for Ole Miss with Jalen as the QB.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:38 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Jalen is the QB unless he has an epic meltdown or gets injured.
The insider has spoken. No need to discuss further.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:47 pm to RollDatRoll
Someone mentioned Tua has more velocity. Wrooong!! Jalens arm is much stronger and it's not close.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:05 pm to JustGetItRight
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We've never had a dual threat QB and we've spent Saban's entire tenure trashing teams that use them.
Now we've got one, so our fans don't quite know how to adjust
Except Hurts isn't a dual threat. Not consistently he isn't.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:17 pm to CrimsonBoz
Lets all cool down now. I will say this. Lets do a ban bet for the board for all that think they know whats going on.
If Jalen is healthy next year he is the starter.
If you disagree then put your name out there and man up.
If Jalen is healthy next year he is the starter.
If you disagree then put your name out there and man up.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:23 pm to amders44
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Someone mentioned Tua has more velocity. Wrooong!! Jalens arm is much stronger and it's not close.
Both have strong arms. I'd say Tua throws a tighter ball with a bit more accuracy, but Jalen could probably throw a football farther. That said, there's more to being a good passer than what you can do with your arm. Experience standing in the pocket matters, experience reading defenses matters, experience against live opponents matters. Jalen has a lot of room to improve when it comes to the finer points of being a passer, but he has the arm and athletic ability and the experience so right now he's our best QB. When Tua gets the reps, maybe he'll be a better passer, maybe he won't. One day we may know the answer.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 6:15 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Everyone knows how effective our offense is with Hurts in the game. Against non-elite defenses we will gash them all day with Hurts' running ability. Against the 4-5 elite defenses we see each year, the offense will struggle big time, because we can't throw downfield consistently.
With Tua, we have a bit of a question mark. He might turn it over making rookie mistakes. He might not handle pressure as well. We don't know. However, what we do know is that he's a much better passer than Hurts, and he also has some wheels which no one talks about. He can run on man coverage.
The fact is, once Tua catches up to Jalen in the mental aspect, Tua is the starter. End of story.
With Tua, we have a bit of a question mark. He might turn it over making rookie mistakes. He might not handle pressure as well. We don't know. However, what we do know is that he's a much better passer than Hurts, and he also has some wheels which no one talks about. He can run on man coverage.
The fact is, once Tua catches up to Jalen in the mental aspect, Tua is the starter. End of story.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:05 pm to RollDatRoll
Lol k bud keep the trolling up. You guys have been on a roll.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:07 pm to uofarolltide
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The fact is, once Tua catches up to Jalen in the mental aspect, Tua is the starter. End of story.
Jalens "mental aspect" as a true freshman was unprecedented, so Tua has a looooong way to go to catch up to that.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:07 pm to uofarolltide
I can’t speak for everyone, but I think most of us agree Hurts should start. He’s proven in big games, when he runs it’s like the opposing D is moving at half speed, and we know we what have with him. I think what most of us are saying is that Hurts is lacking in the passing aspect of the game. Which he honestly is. Yea he can throw the sideline routes that might break big. He can hit the RB 4 yards out. But he can not CONSISTENTLY hit the middle of the field. Yes he can throw it deep and hit the receiver 1 out of 3 tries. He’s good for 2-3 15+ yard passes a game (not counting yac). But more is needed in an elite offense. Yes we have a great run game but that’s not an excuse for the lack of a passing game. Tua came out and basically did what everyone has been asking Hurts to do. That’s where the love comes from, point blank. He gave us what we’ve been wanting from Hurts in the passing game. Yes, there’s still more we need to see from him before I say he should start, but he at least can make down field throws. Our frustration comes from the Hurts homers who can’t admit that Hurts is lacking in the passing game. Which has been evident since last year.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:10 pm to GAFF
I'll be brief, none of the games we have played have warranted those types of passes. When they are needed he will throw them for better or worse. Does that make sense?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:11 pm to GAFF
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Our frustration comes from the Hurts homers who can’t admit that Hurts is lacking in the passing game
Personally, I don't give a flying leap what the Hurts fanboys think about it. I just want an offense that can take advantage of all the playmakers, and is difficult for even the really good defenses to defend.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:11 pm to GAFF
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But more is needed in an elite offense.
Not really.
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Tua came out and basically did what everyone has been asking Hurts to do
After Jalen and co put us up by 6 tds.
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but he at least can make down field throws
Hurts can, as he's proven so countless times.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
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but he at least can make down field throws
Hurts can, as he's proven so countless times.
He can, but he just isn't consistent enough, and still can't read the defenses. He either isn't confident that he can make the plays or the coaches aren't confident that he can. Bottom line is that it makes us easier to defend.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:19 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I'll be brief, none of the games we have played have warranted those types of passes. When they are needed he will throw them for better or worse. Does that make sense?
I don't know about these other guys, but I'm going to need you to dumb it down even more than usual. Most of us just can't follow your knowledge of the game. It's probably because we don't have sources.
Are you saying this is just another case of Jalen can do anything but the coaches don't want him to? I guess they changed their minds when Tua came in.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:22 pm to Teague
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Are you saying this is just another case of Jalen can do anything but the coaches don't want him to? I guess they changed their minds when Tua came in.
You got a point there. You got a real good point.
Throwing "for better or worse" doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy either.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:30 pm to Teague
No what I'm saying is the game plan is X, we do said gameplan and have won our games by 17+. The OC calls the plays he wants for Jalen, he runs them. Our offense is a low risk I'm sure you would agree. When we went down against FSU, deep passing was featured immediately. We haven't been down since but as the game unfolds they increase or decrease risk of turnover. When Tua comes in the game is out of hand and they call whatever they want. Until Saban gets involved and makes them take a knee.
You can keep taking jabs at sources and other BS if you chose it's not helping you.
You can keep taking jabs at sources and other BS if you chose it's not helping you.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:31 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
It's not meant too, it's higher risk and maybe higher reward but greater chance of turnovers. We aren't the big12 not throwing it 50 times a game.
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