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re: So is it safe to say Golding is staying?
Posted on 1/26/20 at 1:07 pm to 3down10
Posted on 1/26/20 at 1:07 pm to 3down10
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This rumor about Golding calling the plays the previous year is total bull shite.
If it were true, it would have come out in the media by now with a real source. But I am supposed to believe that he called plays all that time, and yet it was never reported or leaked in that time?
It was kept secret for months and months, and is still not discussed now? Not a single player or person inside the institution has ever made a public statement to the effect.
Alabama switches defensive play callers and nobody notices? It would have been a huge story and yet the only peep is on message boards.
Bull shite.
The funny part about it all is that it was said as a way to promote Golding, but yet the end of the season was the reason why we all wanted Tosh gone. I accepted the rumor at first and was pissed off that Golding was hired if he was response for the defense against Clemson. It was fricking horrible, not a single bit of pressure on Lawerence all night long. 3 man rushes, frick that shite. And everyone here thought it was great that he was already calling plays.
But it doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Not only for what I mentioned above, but you are telling me Saban rewarded Golding with the DC job after that shite show? I don't see how. Looked very clear to me that he basically found Tosh another job after it, and promoted a defensive mind he respected.
And then I looked at the play calling this year, and it's much more aggressive despite the injuries that limit what is available with younger/inexperienced guys.
Just like the lazy claims. Bull shite. Saban is the man who fired Kiffin a week before the national championship game because he didn't put effort in. But oh yeah, he's keeping this Golding guy around who's so lazy it's the reason the defense isn't the best ever? frick no. If the guy was lazy Saban would have handled that shite before the season was even over.
So, either Saban promotes a guy to DC after calling some terrible games, then allows this guy to be super lazy and a bum on the staff, then apparently keeps him around another year because Saban just likes "lazy and goofy" people.
Or, Saban sent the guy who called that shitty Clemson game to the NFL to learn X's and O's as he needed, promoted the best defensive coach he could find to replace them. Then was basically just dealt the shittiest circumstances you could find with a ton of injuries, starting more than 50% freshman in your front 7 including both ILB. Yet still managed to finish with a defense 3rd in the SP+ and did well all things considered and Saban will keep him around.
It's pretty obvious which one I think makes more sense and which sounds like a pile of bull shite.
Prime example of why "Just ignore the insider" is impossible. Other people take the shite as fact and you still have to address it, no matter how crazy you must think Saban is to believe it.
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Happy Friday, everyone. News is still pretty slow, and probably will be until after National Signing Day when the coaching carousel can really get to spinning. We’ll open today with the cool Jalen Hurts tribute video from the football marketing folks...
Since there’s nothing else to talk about, we might as well beat this assistant coach thing into the ground. It has now been confirmed in multiple places that Pete Golding was actually calling the defense in the playoffs, and had been as far back as October.
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LINK ]Why Tosh Lupoi leaving Alabama was long expected (AL.com | segment)
"After some early struggles during the season, Saban stripped Lupoi of defensive play-calling responsibilities and handed them over to co-defensive coordinator Pete Golding, according to sources. Saban had poached Golding from UT-San Antonio in the offseason in part to alleviate concerns about Lupoi’s inexperience with the secondary and as a play-caller. Still, word is Lupoi seemed overwhelmed during practices and didn’t totally grasp situational play-calling. While he was still heavily involved in the defensive game-planning, there was no question Golding taking over play-calling represented a demotion of sorts for Lupoi barely into the start of his defensive coordinator stint. Additionally, it was clear within the program how much Saban valued Golding, especially given he fended off other schools including Ole Miss in order to keep Golding at Alabama. It gave Lupoi reason enough to look for a soft landing place once Alabama’s season ended."
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 1:09 pm to Tide and Seek
He had the worst supporting cast under Saban yet.
This is so much utter bullshite.
Golding had..
- Two first rounder CBs
- One possible first round S. The other stud future first rounder
- One possible First round OLB, the other a top-3 round vet OLB (Anfernee)
- Deep DLine, which was so damn deep we lost Ray but had Barmore graded as one of the top 15 DL.
Our only flaw was ILB. We lost both starters, one who had never started for Alabama and the other who was truly key.
Stop exaggeration.
If Golding was as great as some of you think he is, he would have either coached up that high four star talent he had or he would have adjusted our play and scheme to protect our shortcomings.
This is so much utter bullshite.
Golding had..
- Two first rounder CBs
- One possible first round S. The other stud future first rounder
- One possible First round OLB, the other a top-3 round vet OLB (Anfernee)
- Deep DLine, which was so damn deep we lost Ray but had Barmore graded as one of the top 15 DL.
Our only flaw was ILB. We lost both starters, one who had never started for Alabama and the other who was truly key.
Stop exaggeration.
If Golding was as great as some of you think he is, he would have either coached up that high four star talent he had or he would have adjusted our play and scheme to protect our shortcomings.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 1:10 pm to TidalSurge1
Exactly.
Golding called the plays since October that season. Not Tosh.
Golding called the plays since October that season. Not Tosh.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 1:32 pm to Tide and Seek
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So one guy was “plain bad” and so Golding clearly is? He had the worst supporting cast under Saban yet. Did you see Shane Lees PFF grade? It was like a 30 something. He was awful.
Shane Lee doesn't begin to describe the mess we saw with this defense this year. Man, it's like talking to my grandchildren. 5 minutes after you break all this stuff down in detail for the hundredth time, you want to go back to Shane Lee, again and again, and again.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:02 pm to bamameister
Pete Golding may very well be a problem, but anyone who lays everything the defense went through this year at his feet is being stupid. Want to know how I know this to be true? Because Golding still has a job.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:02 pm to TidalSurge1
So who was the source?
Al.com posted some shite off a message board. That's not a legit source.
Al.com posted some shite off a message board. That's not a legit source.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:09 pm to YStar
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Exactly.
Golding called the plays since October that season. Not Tosh.
Al.com "multiple sources" is not a legit news source.
This isn't some small rumor, it would have been a huge deal for Alabama to have changed defensive play callers in the middle of the season.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:27 pm to 3down10
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Al.com "multiple sources" is not a legit news source.
1000s of news articles are published daily by reputable news outlets citing unidentified "sources". Are all of those news outlets and articles reporting fabricated "bullshite" in your opinion? Do you think Saban or Bama would've "officially" announced that Golding had taken over play-calling?
I'm not saying I think Bama's defensive struggles are all Pete Golding's fault or that I think Saban should or likely will put someone else in the DC position in place of Golding. It wouldn't surprise me if does so soon after NSD, nor would it surprise me if he gives Golding more time as DC. Saban still would have viable options in shuffling staff responsibilities later without hiring or firing anyone, if he decides Pete isn't adequately meeting expectations.
It seems like just about everyone feels the need to take a hard stand right now on what should or will happen and argue with and even lash out at anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly agree with their opinions.
Guess what? Were all gonna have to wait and see how it plays out. Carry on.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Pete Golding may very well be a problem, but anyone who lays everything the defense went through this year at his feet is being stupid. Want to know how I know this to be true? Because Golding still has a job.
Yep, and also because we have eyes.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:39 pm to TidalSurge1
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But according to ESPN, Golding has already filled in for Lupoi in the play calling of the defensive last season.
Chris Low of ESPN joined The Game with Ryan Fowler to discuss Golding taking over play calling duties for Lupoi in the first month of the season and what does that say about Lupoi's season, Golding's potential as the new defensive coordinator and could there be more changes to come in the staff.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 2:42 pm to 3down10
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Al.com "multiple sources" is not a legit news source.
This isn't some small rumor, it would have been a huge deal for Alabama to have changed defensive play callers in the middle of the season.
ESPN reported this too.
Keep denying though because it kills your narrative if Golding being great bit misunderstood.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 3:07 pm to TidalSurge1
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Do you think Saban or Bama would've "officially" announced that Golding had taken over play-calling?
No, I think it would have been impossible to hide and people would have been talking about it long before the season is over.
Yet suddenly after the season it's common knowledge because of unidentified sources.
Hell, if he called last years Clemsons game, I was the only person ready to fire him before this season even happened.
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But again, it doesn't make sense that Saban would promote him.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 3:08 pm to YStar
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ESPN reported this too.
Keep denying though because it kills your narrative if Golding being great bit misunderstood.
An analyst talking about the rumor on a talk show is not ESPN reporting it.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 3:12 pm to 3down10
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No, I think it would have been impossible to hide and people would have been talking about it long before the season is over.
It was impossible to hide and people were talking about it before the 2018 season was over. Did you not notice anyone (including sports media) talking about it, or were you instead proclaiming that it was all "bullshite" from "sources" who were spreading "bullshite rumors"?
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 3:35 pm to TidalSurge1
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It was impossible to hide and people were talking about it before the 2018 season was over. Did you not notice anyone (including sports media) talking about it, or were you instead proclaiming that it was all "bullshite"?
Weird, after the national championship game, everyone was calling for Tosh to get fired. Not a word was ever said about Golding calling plays.
Fire/Demote Tosh
But, when the rumors did break, I was the only person who seemed to think Golding should have been fired then. For some reason, most of you seemed to think it was a good thing he was calling the plays the previous year.
Here I was even at the start of the season upset that Golding was our DC.
Another off season thread on the topic.
Even after the South Carolina game this year I was unhappy with Golding.
But the more I thought about the rumor, the more it didn't make sense.
So I've basically gone from taking shite for being against Golding to taking shite for defending him.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 4:12 pm to YStar
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If Golding was as great as some of you think he is,
I dont think that anyone thinks that he is "great." Not really what we are arguing here.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 4:17 pm to 3down10
Has it not occurred to you and some others that after promoting Tosh, Saban (and a lot of fans) simply realized that he'd made a mistake -- that Tosh wasn't ready for and couldnt handle the DC job and therefore Saban transitioned Golding to take it over with minimal disruption and staff turnover because he felt Golding was knowledgeable enough and "bright" enough to handle it better? That doesn't necessarily have to mean that Saban was 100% confident in Golding or that Saban (and fans) should feel 100% good about how Golding has been performing so far in that role. Maybe Saban is on the fence about whether his DC (Golding) should've achieved better results despite the front-7 injuries and inexperience. Maybe he'll make 1 or 2 defensive staff changes soon after NSD, that may or may not involve departures or additions to the staff. Maybe he doesn't plan to make any changes at this juncture. No amount of arguing among fellow fans about each other's takes on the situation and predictions of what Saban will do has any bearing at all on what he will do. We all just have to wait and see what happens.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 5:00 pm to TidalSurge1
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We all just have to wait and see what happens.
Excellent post, but I imagine that this Golding argument will continue uninterrupted for the entire off-season. Nothing new can or will be said, though - bank on that. Sad, but likely true. Just sticky this thread and move all related talk into it like a recycle bin.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 6:02 pm to prevatt33b
Yeah, it looks like some just desperately want to be able to beat their chests that their takes on Golding's performance and predictions on his future as DC turn out to be right and see others eating crow for being wrong. It doesn't really need to be pinned. So far, its frequent posting activity is keeping it bumped up close to the pinned threads.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 4:05 pm to TidalSurge1
And the arguing goes on here.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 8:05 am
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