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re: So is it safe to say Golding is staying?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:21 am to bamameister
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:21 am to bamameister
You say those players "will" prove you wrong. You don't know that. Jennings played well and McKinney played well and Diggs played pretty well. None were really All American type players. The coaches pretty much said that about Jennings. They said he wasn't really great at anything but he did a lot of things well. To me he and McKinney were our best players on defense. But its hard to really evaluate our Def backs because we were so below average on the line and at middle linebacker. It just makes it hard on all the d backs when we can't win at the line of scrimmage. Maybe that's partly why we have another new D line coach. But its never going to working playing the freshman team vs the SEC. Got it????? what a goofus.
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Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:51 am to IB4bama
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You say those players "will" prove you wrong.
Are you too willing to call these guys "average?" Cause my original comments were debating that very term. Do you think Mack Wilson was a 5th round talent? If not, what went wrong?
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But its hard to really evaluate our Def backs because we were so below average on the line and at middle linebacker.
If we indeed were so "below average" on the front 7 why take it out on the DL coach? If indeed it was a talent issue, why replace the guy? But if that's the standard, why do Sunseri and Golding get a pass?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 11:03 am to RollTide1987
Horrible narrative.
Every Alabama DC has had to rely on youth and deal with serious loses due to injury.
Why you guys are making this seem like it is a new concept just because of Golding?
Only God knows that.
Also Dylan Moses was not our best defensive player. He had massivr struggles the previous year WITH Mack Wilson under that same Golding.
Anyways you guys can continue to spin reality.
Every Alabama DC has had to rely on youth and deal with serious loses due to injury.
Why you guys are making this seem like it is a new concept just because of Golding?
Only God knows that.
Also Dylan Moses was not our best defensive player. He had massivr struggles the previous year WITH Mack Wilson under that same Golding.
Anyways you guys can continue to spin reality.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 12:31 pm to YStar
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Every Alabama DC has had to rely on youth and deal with serious loses due to injury.
Name the DC who had to play 2 freshman ILB. Or hell, even a DC who had to use a freshman ILB to make the defensive calls.
I'll wait.
For some reason, Saban thinks you are wrong. But please tell us all how you, not even close to the program to see all the things going on knows more than the greatest coach of all time who deals with the team on a daily basis.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 12:33 pm to bamameister
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Do you think Mack Wilson was a 5th round talent? If not, what went wrong?
He was advised to return this year to improve his draft position.
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If indeed it was a talent issue, why replace the guy? But if that's the standard, why do Sunseri and Golding get a pass?
My guess is because Saban knows more about things than the fans do, so there are more factors than you can dream up that go into the decisions.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:12 pm to YStar
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Horrible narrative.
Every Alabama DC has had to rely on youth and deal with serious loses due to injury.
We lost Dylan Moses and Josh McMillon before the season even started. DJ Dale and LaBryan Ray went down early in the season. Those are four starters/major contributors gone and we aren't even into October yet. No Alabama DC in the last 20 years has dealt with that kind of attrition.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:39 pm to 3down10
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He was advised to return this year to improve his draft position.
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Instead, He goes to Cleveland. And the Browns call him the biggest steal in the draft. Perhaps he figured out who his position coach was going to be, again.
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My guess is because Saban knows more about things than the fans do, so there are more factors than you can dream up that go into the decisions.
Well, we may very well be stuck with another year of the Golding experiment. The only thing Bama fans could possibly hope for under the best of these circumstances is that somehow, someway, we haven't gotten the real DC.
Possibly meaning that Saban has tried to mold this guy in his own conservative image to the degree he has coached the innovation and imagination right out of this guy. And after year 2 is finally getting out of the way.
Long shot at best, but we are creatures of hope.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:48 pm to RollTide1987
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We had so many true freshmen playing before they were ready.
The problem is, I don't feel like they had improved to the level they should have improve to by the end of the year. Particularly the inside linebackers, where he is the position coach.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:49 pm to YStar
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Every Alabama DC has had to rely on youth and deal with serious loses due to injury.
And those DCs' defenses had bad games that contributed to losses.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:50 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Another question I have: What if we get mugged by injuries again next year? We have had widespread defensive injury problems since 2017, so that could certainly continue for another year. Will we just have to suffer through another subpar year, or will Golding have a greater ability to coach young guys up?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:55 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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I don't feel like they had improved to the level they should have improve to by the end of the year.
I was an all-state LB, and I disagree. I can't even fathom how 2 true freshman ILB's, one never having played the position before, can be expected to come in at 18 years old and play well in the era of the RPO. Hell, the offensive line can give you a run look AND THE QB STILL THROW THE FOOTBALL! Do any of you have any idea how incredibly difficult that is? And do any of you realize how the best offenses we faced in 2019 came in the latter part of the season, when you expected to see these freshman ILBs take the next step?
YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE IGNORANT AND WRONG.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:58 pm to prevatt33b
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prevatt33b
Thank you, Pete.
I didn't say they made no improvement. I said that I don't think they were where they should have been at the end of the season.
But hey, you keep defending Golding, Mr. All-State, and we'll see where we are at next year.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:01 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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I said that I don't think they were they should have been at the end of the season.
Yes, and I disagreed with exactly that. Both Lee and Harris exceeded any logical expectations, and the only knock on either is Lee's open field speed.
edit: Who's Pete?
edit 2: I tried to make it obvious in my post that I was talking to the group with the strong statements in the second half of the post. If that wasn't clear, I'm telling you directly now. I wasn't trying to come down on your specifically, just the opinion you gave and the group that shares it.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:04 pm to bamameister
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Instead, He goes to Cleveland. And the Browns call him the biggest steal in the draft. Perhaps he figured out who his position coach was going to be, again.
He did fine when he wasn't having to read the offenses and make the calls when he was at Alabama too IIRC. When responsibilities increase, so does the difficulty of the position obviously, but all anyone wants to look at are stats and such.
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Well, we may very well be stuck with another year of the Golding experiment. The only thing Bama fans could possibly hope for under the best of these circumstances is that somehow, someway, we haven't gotten the real DC.
Possibly meaning that Saban has tried to mold this guy in his own conservative image to the degree he has coached the innovation and imagination right out of this guy. And after year 2 is finally getting out of the way.
Long shot at best, but we are creatures of hope.
I disagree. I'm not even remotely angry that he isn't being fired and I said all the way back in December when insiders were trying to push the narrative that "he was gone for sure" was bullshite.
You guys can like it or not, but it wasn't really the defense that caused our 2 losses this year. No doubt it wasn't up to normal standards, but given the inexperience I think the defense was way better than could be expected. Some of you seem to think anything less than perfection is unacceptable rather than looking at things relative to others.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:07 pm to 3down10
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when insiders were trying to push the narrative
Herein lies the disconnect. No insider "pushed" a narrative. They simply told everyone what they were hearing - nothing more.
People now are rewriting history with words like "pushed" simply because you got your feelings hurt and want emotional justice.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:11 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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The problem is, I don't feel like they had improved to the level they should have improve to by the end of the year. Particularly the inside linebackers, where he is the position coach.
What is the level you think they should have been by the end of the year based on?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:19 pm to prevatt33b
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Herein lies the disconnect. No insider "pushed" a narrative. They simply told everyone what they were hearing - nothing more.
People now are rewriting history with words like "pushed" simply because you got your feelings hurt and want emotional justice.
I didn't get my feelings hurt, the insider did and banned people anytime it happened. It's funny how everyone else was the problem, yet the common denominator in it all was not.
He called Golding a "goofy and lazy slob" and attributed that to be the reason why the defense didn't do well. Also claimed is that he called the defense the prior year, rather than Tosh. I was specifically banned for pointing out there was no logical way what he was claiming could be true.
He was pushing that narrative the 2nd half of the season.
There is no rewriting to say he pushed it. If he didn't put the narrative out there it wouldn't have existed. And it doesn't really matter if he's just repeating what someone told him, or making it up himself. Someone down the line is pumping out bullshite and he's the hose that sprayed it here.
People say things like "ignore what he says" or whatever, but at the end of the day people still do believe it and take what is said as fact.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:24 pm to 3down10
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He did fine when he wasn't having to read the offenses and make the calls when he was at Alabama too IIRC. When responsibilities increase, so does the difficulty of the position obviously, but all anyone wants to look at our stats and such.
Then why was Wilson making the call? Why not Dylan? Why not anyone else? You have a guy incapable of calling out signals and playing winning football and yet you continue to push that position through the entire season?
Wouldn't that again fall into the category of what was Golding thinking? Why would an excellent coach want to push any player into a position that he fails and the defense fails because of it?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:44 pm to bamameister
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Then why was Wilson making the call? Why not Dylan? Why not anyone else? You have a guy incapable of calling out signals and playing winning football and yet you continue to push that position through the entire season?
Wouldn't that again fall into the category of what was Golding thinking? Why would an excellent coach want to push any player into a position that he fails and the defense fails because of it?
Because you typically don't want a first year starter out there doing it. The guy with more experience is the one who's able to recognize what the offense is doing better.
Especially in the RPO era where lineman run block on pass plays.
It's basically the QB of the defense. But unlike the offense where you can mold around the strengths of the player, you're instead faced with offenses that will exploit the weaknesses of those players.
My guess anyway, I'm not an insider. At the end of the day, they put the guy they think is best to handle the responsibility out there. Someone has to do it.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 3:48 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Another question I have: What if we get mugged by injuries again next year? We have had widespread defensive injury problems since 2017, so that could certainly continue for another year. Will we just have to suffer through another subpar year, or will Golding have a greater ability to coach young guys up?
Do you have any idea how crazy it sounds to suggest that we should be able to have years with extreme amounts of injuries and still win a national championship?
I can only guess you must be a newer fan because you have no clue what real suffering is.
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