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re: So 4th & 11 wasn't Smart's stupid fault. It was Justin Fields all the time....
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:33 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:33 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
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4 and 11 call with Bama's starting d out there? Not a good call.
What it seems like everybody is missing, is that having Bama's D out there was EXACTLY what they play was designed for. Kirby knew that exact play and knew how to scheme a guy open. By delaying, we had a prednisone adjust where the outside backer went to the flats with the RT. Normally, he's crashing the line to fill running lanes on that play. Without the late adjust, the UGA player would've easily made the first down.
It was a well set up and calculated risk, straight out of The Art of War. We made the one critical adjustment a second before disaster occurred.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:52 pm to BamaChemE
So the play wouldn't have worked better with Bama's punt return team out there? Ok
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:59 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Right, but that doesn't apply to this situation
Are you saying that the success of this play was not dependent on execution? Because that's laughably asinine.
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the call was fricked from jump street
No, it wasn't. It was fricked up at the last possible second pre-snap, which has been explained ad nauseum. You still don't get it, and that's cool.
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It's like standing at the entrance of a bear's den with a rifle, and before entering, realizing that your rifle is jammed, and then saying "welp, I'm goin in anyway."
No, it's like walking into a bear's den, raising your rifle to shoot, and hesitating - which gives the bear time to swipe at the gun and rip your face off.
You are just wrong.
I am not saying that I would have gone for it. I certainly would not have. But given the scenario, I can definitely see the argument for going for it in that situation, and the Xs and Os of the play was a helluva scheme-up idea, and almost beat Alabama in the SEC Championship and got GA into the playoffs.
Kirby just has balls of dynamite. And you have balls of kleenex.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:08 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
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So the play wouldn't have worked better with Bama's punt return team out there? Ok
Another person who doesn't get it. Awesome.
You do realize that GA purposefully put us into a situation where they definitely knew a man would not be covered? We only got it covered because they lined up far too slowly and, our coaches - who were having a conniption fit on the sidelines - had just enough time to get our ILBs to adjust away from what they had been taught for years, given that our Punt Safe from Regular personnel was unchanged from Kirby's time here.
And if we had been in punt return safe, each Bama player would have had man 11 on 11 (technically 10 on 10 because punter/punt returner). Do you realize this?
And given their alignment, we would never have been in punt block, so that's irrelevant.
Honestly, I forget that many football fans do not have a deep understanding of the way football really works. Many of you literally think it's like that old electronic vibrating board game. It's much, much, MUCH more complicated that many of you can imagine. And that's why it's so great. It's ultraviolent chess - not ultraviolent hangman.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:19 pm to prevatt33
I see that some guys either can't read or are just not very bright. Kirby was two seconds away from converting that for about twenty yards. Thank God they hesitated long enough for Saban to smell the trickery.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:23 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
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So the play wouldn't have worked better with Bama's punt return team out there? Ok
Pretty much. If you want to bust a screen pass for a big play, you call it when the defense is blitzing. If you know exactly what a defense is going to scheme against a play, you can make them pay.
If the coaches don't get the LB's attention, they are almost certainly crashing the backside of that unbalanced line UGA was running and the initial play action of Fields taking two steps to the left. That was essentially a Tebow jump pass that was going to have a guy running wide open
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:38 pm to BamaChemE
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That was essentially a Tebow jump pass that was going to have a guy running wide open
This x infinity.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:56 pm to prevatt33
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Kirby just has balls of dynamite. And you have balls of kleenex.
Kirby's balls got snipped off, again. Mine are still hanging between my legs.
Even if we want to give Kirby the benefit of the doubt, he is a fricking moron for thinking that he might catch us off guard with Fields, who has never been in on the punt team, EVER. It was a stupid play call, AND bad execution.
You can try and belittle us as less knowledgeable of the game of football all you want as a way to try and prove your point, but like I said, everyone saw what happened, and 99 percent of people agree that it was a retarded decision to even try it(with Fields) in the first place. You do know a lot about Xs and Os, much more than me, but it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 4:56 pm to Funky Tide 8
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It was a stupid play call
I disagree.
I would have punted, personally. But how many SEC coaches would take this scenario: 4th and 11 from the 50, and if you convert a first down, you almost assuredly beat Bama, win the SEC, and go to the playoffs - and you've got a helluva scheme-up play to do it. All of them would take it.
You see, there was 3:11 left in the game. A first down here will get the clock down under 2 minutes easily, maybe more if you can get another first down. You have one of the best kickers in all of CFB. A first down on that one play means that you almost assuredly take the lead on Bama and will have forced them to take all three timouts. It's a monumentally fantastic result.
Remember, Alabama had all of the momentum and had been outplaying GA for most of the 4th quarter. What are the chances GA punts and stops Alabama from scoring, given that they had 3 minutes and all 3 timeouts? Almost none? I think so.
Nearly all of them would take that in a heartbeat.
It's like scoring late to get it to 1, and then going for 2 to get the win instead of playing for overtime. If it works, they build you a statue. If it fails, you're crucified by the masses. But it's a perfectly valid strategy, and just because you wouldn't do it, or just because it failed that time, doesn't mean it was a stupid idea.
And regarding this:
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Kirby just has balls of dynamite. And you have balls of kleenex.
Relax. Triple entendres don't come along very often, and when you think of one, you let it fly, no matter the circumstances.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 5:19 pm to Funky Tide 8
Another HUGE thing that you and others are failing to realize is that if you punt the football and pin ALabama deep, and then fail to stop them from scoring, then the chances of GA having enough time on the clock to mount a tying/winning drive decrease dramatically.
If you go for it there on 4th, then Bama gets the ball back about midfield. In this location, it is still possible to get a stop and prevent Bama from scoring, as it is at least 2 first downs of distance from Bama attempting a FG, and we suck at FGs.
But the real "benefit" is creating a situation where Bama either doesn't score, or scores quickly, thereby leaving GA with ample time to mount a drive. As it happened in this game, GA got the ball back with 1:04 on the clock and 2 timeouts.
Sure, going for it on 4th down was risky, but in addition to the huge payoff of converting, your situation is better in many ways if Bama gets the ball in better field position, because you will likely need the ball back to win. Again, GA's chances of stopping Bama were very low, as we all witnessed.
You can say you wouldn't have done it. Fine. I wouldn't have either. But it was far, far, FAR from a stupid idea. I actually admire Kirby for having the cojones and scheme to try it. It was a helluva call.
If you go for it there on 4th, then Bama gets the ball back about midfield. In this location, it is still possible to get a stop and prevent Bama from scoring, as it is at least 2 first downs of distance from Bama attempting a FG, and we suck at FGs.
But the real "benefit" is creating a situation where Bama either doesn't score, or scores quickly, thereby leaving GA with ample time to mount a drive. As it happened in this game, GA got the ball back with 1:04 on the clock and 2 timeouts.
Sure, going for it on 4th down was risky, but in addition to the huge payoff of converting, your situation is better in many ways if Bama gets the ball in better field position, because you will likely need the ball back to win. Again, GA's chances of stopping Bama were very low, as we all witnessed.
You can say you wouldn't have done it. Fine. I wouldn't have either. But it was far, far, FAR from a stupid idea. I actually admire Kirby for having the cojones and scheme to try it. It was a helluva call.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 5:22 pm to prevatt33
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It was a helluva call.
Yes it was. Had it worked, he would be lauded a genius right now.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 6:00 pm to BamaChemE
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Kirby knew that exact play and knew how to scheme a guy open.
Apparently, not.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:40 pm to prevatt33
Hope to God you've never coached before.
You are actually defending one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a coach make and your argument is that it could have work and man if it did Kirby is a freaking genius. That the call was so stupid that no one would do it. In reality not only did he call the play on 4th and 11, he then didn't call timeout when it was covered, and then it was later attempted to place blame on the SUPER OBVIOUS back up qb in on the punt team. When the better coaching call would have been to go for it when it was 4 and 1 earlier.
Also why don't you quit trying to insult everyone that disagrees with you. Its ok to disagree and have discussion without the insults.
You are actually defending one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a coach make and your argument is that it could have work and man if it did Kirby is a freaking genius. That the call was so stupid that no one would do it. In reality not only did he call the play on 4th and 11, he then didn't call timeout when it was covered, and then it was later attempted to place blame on the SUPER OBVIOUS back up qb in on the punt team. When the better coaching call would have been to go for it when it was 4 and 1 earlier.
Also why don't you quit trying to insult everyone that disagrees with you. Its ok to disagree and have discussion without the insults.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:04 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
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Hope to God you've never coached before.
I have and was very good. Multiple sports.
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You are actually defending one of the dumbest decisions I've seen a coach make and your argument is that it could have work and man if it did Kirby is a freaking genius. That the call was so stupid that no one would do it. In reality not only did he call the play on 4th and 11, he then didn't call timeout when it was covered, and then it was later attempted to place blame on the SUPER OBVIOUS back up qb in on the punt team. When the better coaching call would have been to go for it when it was 4 and 1 earlier.
None of this is true, and the evidence is all in this thread. You don't agree and it's fine. You're wrong, but it's fine and you are entitled to that opinion.
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Also why don't you quit trying to insult everyone that disagrees with you.
I don't insult people for disagreeing with me. I insult people for not using their brains. I can certainly be wrong and willingly admit it when it happens. It's just not true on this topic.
I also don't care if you have a problem with my mild insults. As a matter of fact, I hope you do. That's kind why I do it. I want to rock the boat while disagreeing. It's who I choose to be on this forum and I don't care if you have a problem with it. Roll Tide.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:31 pm to prevatt33
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I don't insult people for disagreeing with me. I insult people for not using their brains. I can certainly be wrong and willingly admit it when it happens. It's just not true on this topic.
I also don't care if you have a problem with my mild insults. As a matter of fact, I hope you do. That's kind why I do it. I want to rock the boat while disagreeing. It's who I choose to be on this forum and I don't care if you have a problem with it. Roll Tide.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:32 pm to UASports23
I like to insult people for all sorts of reasons.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 pm to prevatt33
This is only how you act when there are no consequences. I'm sure if there were you would act differently. I never said I had a problem with your mild insults I said there are ways to discuss and not do it. You choose to because that's who you are.
And just because you strongly defend kirbys actions doesnt mean you are right.
Anyway no big deal difference of opinion and Bama won. Which is all that matters
And just because you strongly defend kirbys actions doesnt mean you are right.
Anyway no big deal difference of opinion and Bama won. Which is all that matters
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:56 pm to Tuscaloosahonor
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Bama won. Which is all that matters
yessir
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:16 am to Funky Tide 8
Swift had a guy on him - he was never open.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:22 am to prevatt33
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Kirby just has balls of dynamite
No.
Kirby had a 20-7 lead on Bama last January. He chose to sit on the ball. Kirby had a 28-14 lead on Bama in the SEC and did likewise.
Kirby decided to roll the dice. The play might (?) have been a good call but the circumstances (down & distance and time remaining) were not. This smacks more of desperation than genius. There were better times to use that call earlier in the game presuming Bama had shown UGA the same look.
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