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re: Should we go after a grad transfer QB to backup Tua?

Posted on 5/25/19 at 10:43 am to
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 10:43 am to
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With the nature of QB transfers to find a place to start for a year, how do you expect to find one to be a backup for his last year of eligibility?

The beauty of graduate programs is they normally take more than 1 year to complete. Jacob Coker was on our roster for 2 seasons as a grad transfer. With that said, I'm not sure there a lot of jacob cokers out there, ever.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:20 pm to
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What makes Mac Jones experienced from a game standpoint?


Garbage time and practice. The games are the same in the 1st and 4th quarters, and simulated games are exactly as good.

Football is football, guy. Games aren't some special version of it.

Also, I'm not saying Mac Jones is a wise old man with regard to his experience level, but he's been in our system a while now and has a boatload of reps. As far as backups go, he's close to as good as you can hope for.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 12:35 pm to
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What kind of fanbase are we when we start scoffing at the idea of a contingency plan?


Our contingency plan in case Tua gets hurt is Mac Jones. I believe our contingency plan is better than most in CFB. Our plan C at QB is an inexperienced freshman, and we're basically screwed there - and I think that's on par with all of CFB. Almost no one has a solid 3rd QB that can play winning football.

In summary stomp, I've never desired to insult you in this thread. I just completely disagree with you about your assumptions that Mac Jones can't get it done and your belief that we should (or even can) get someone better. I don't think we should and I don't think we can. No QB who meets your requirements would come to ride pine as #2 or #3.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:02 pm to
Now stomp, I will walk down this "we need to get another QB" conversation in a way. Let's imagine that Mac Jones transfers or dies in a chemical fire tomorrow. Well, you bet you keister that we need to get another QB ASAP. Who would it be?

It would be a backup at another school, most likely a lesser school. We'd call around and find out if Jack St or the like has a solid #2 and if he'd like to jump up a level. We'd have a small chance to get a former starter at a lower level, assuming he wants to hold a clipboard for a year and go into coaching at Bama, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. We'd also have a shot at a QB who's absolutely buried on his depth chart, like Arizona St's 4th string QB who can grad transfer, as an example.

But the point here is that, if we had to replace Mac Jones, we're likely going to replace him with a backup QB from another school, and that player won't have the playbook knowledge, reps in our system, and camaraderie with the the roster that Mac Jones currently has. In short, they'll be a less capable backup that Mac Jones himself - and that player would be equally inexperienced by your definition.

The only way we'd get one of those hotshot potential-starter kind of QB transfers is if Tua doesn't exist and the #1 spot is up for grabs. Without that scenario, we're fishing for inexperienced backups in CFB (outside chance at former starters at much lower levels of CFB) - neither of which are better options than Mac Jones.

For reference, look up OSU's QB situation the last few months. Justin Fields transfers in and the whole QB room literally empties of scholarship QBs. Fields becomes the only scholarship QB on the roster. Well, they fill out their QB room by stealing a couple of 2019 QB commits from much lower schools and get a transfer from another school who was buried on the depth chart. None of those options after Fields is even close to what Mac Jones currently brings to the table. Not even close, and those option are similar to what we'd find if we went looking for, as you say, a "contingency plan."
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:27 pm to
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Where did Prevatt say anything of this nature? I believe you are misrepresenting his position. His position is that any game experience is good experience, and that experience in a "close game" is not qualitatively superior to garbage time. His position, if I am reading it correctly, is that logistical things get worked out, e.g. getting plays in, communicating with coaches, in garbage time and as for quality competition, one can compete against our first team defense and get a better challenge than against the vast majority of our competition.


He assumed such when he equated practice experience with live game experience. It's the same assumption that a lot of our fans have assuming that 247 rankings are indicative of the current talent level. It doesn't take into account the various stages of development. It also doesn't take into account that the an opposing team is out for blood.

We have bought into the media's rat poison.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:54 pm to
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He assumed such when he equated practice experience with live game experience. It's the same assumption that a lot of our fans have assuming that 247 rankings are indicative of the current talent level. It doesn't take into account the various stages of development. It also doesn't take into account that the an opposing team is out for blood.

We have bought into the media's rat poison.


"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:06 pm to
Listen, we're just don't agree on a few points. Its really ok.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:10 pm to
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Let's imagine that Mac Jones transfers or dies in a chemical fire tomorrow. Well, you bet you keister that we need to get another QB ASAP.
I'm not so sure we would pick up someone else for this season. We would probably start looking for a transfer that could play in 2020, though.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:26 pm to
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I'm not so sure we would pick up someone else for this season.


It's certainly possible that we'd go with a true freshman backup, but it's definitely less than ideal. One of Taulia or Tyson would need to grow up much faster than we'd like or even what's possible.

I'll say this: I think there's a near 100% chance that Alabama will need to rely on its backup QB at some point in the 2019 season, and I'm not talking about garbage time.

And if we rely on a true freshman in that scenario, we'll find out just how good our Oline is at run-blocking.
This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:33 pm to
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I'm not so sure we would pick up someone else for this season. We would probably start looking for a transfer that could play in 2020, though.


I think we'd RTDB.

We won a national championship with Greg McElroy as our QB.

We do not have a QB depth problem.

Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:34 pm to
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We would probably start looking for a transfer that could play in 2020, though.


Honestly, if we can't get a phenom HS recruit, the coaching staff might be happy with going with the sophomore winner of the Taulia v Tyson battle. It depends on how they develop and what they show in 2019. Regardless, we always want 4 scholly QBs each year from a numbers standpoint. This year, I think we've got a couple of better-than-average walk-ons.

Managing QB depth in CFB has radically changed in the last few years. The days of having a long list of known commodities is gone.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 2:47 pm to
this would send the wrong message to all the players we have on scholarship as a QB. We need a MLB with experience first
Posted by ALtoID
Boise
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 3:33 pm to
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What kind of fanbase are we when we start scoffing at the idea of a contingency plan?


No one is scoffing at the idea of a contingency plan. We’re scoffing at the idea that our situation is different than anyone else’s, or that we don’t already have a plan B, or that we could possibly create a better situation.

Do you have any specific suggestions of grad transfers?
Posted by ALtoID
Boise
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 3:35 pm to
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The beauty of graduate programs is they normally take more than 1 year to complete.


Yes, but they often only have 1 year of eligibility. Even if they do have 2, who wants to sit a year and then compete with 3 other guys for the job?
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/25/19 at 4:45 pm to
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We need a MLB with experience first


We absolutely do.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/27/19 at 11:36 am to
Think early 2020 is the season to look, doesn't seem at the moment QB recruiting will be getting off the ground.

Not super confident in Mac Jones, you can give him the Phil Ely/Alec Morris "He knows the system" compliment. Always in contention, never the winner.

Even in blowout situations, he hasn't looked confident in himself when he was passing. Easy to look good in practice with nothing at stake, but seemingly gets in his head in even nonthreatening game reps.

We'll find out this year...
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Not super confident in Mac Jones


We have won a national championship with worse. If the defense is legit this year we can probably lean on the running game to another playoff run. I hope to see Tua make it through this year injury free but I think I am confident against 95% of the competition with Mac.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:48 pm to
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We have won a national championship with worse


Not since most of college football has gone to the spread.

Greg McElroy would be a 2nd stringer in today's SEC.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22623 posts
Posted on 5/27/19 at 10:03 pm to
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Not since most of college football has gone to the spread.

Greg McElroy would be a 2nd stringer in today's SEC.


He was a 3 star recruit.
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