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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:39 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:39 am to pvilleguru
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Thats what this blow up is all about. Black lives matter.
Well, it was the latest, most visible instance, and deaths are far more likely to get people angry than anything less than that.
But if you are looking into "the myth of systemic racism", you have to dig further than surface level.
What unfortunately gets lost in this whole tragic episode is the utter incompetence of the Minneapolis government. That was as much or more to blame than any other factor. Remember that this was the second homicide perpetrated by one of their officers in three years...the first being the shooting of the Australian woman by the cop from Somalia, who is serving 12.5 years...but you see little or no mention of that by the media. How in the hell does a police department have two murders in three years? There needs to be a housecleaning in city government to include the mayor, the chief of police, and probably more.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:41 am to BamaGradinTn
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There needs to be a housecleaning in city government to include the mayor, the chief of police, and probably more.
Their city council is talking about the possibility of abolishing the police and replacing them with a safety group
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:49 am to pvilleguru
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Can we not work on more than one thing at a time?
Not in this case, no. You can't advocate for the latter without first solving the former or else you are literally supporting police targeting black citizens. That's basic logic 101.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:53 am to bamameister
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You got any video of some poor white dude getting beat down like he's Rodney King? We can discuss that instead. I'll gladly take a videotape of 4 black policemen all standing around each other as one of them puts a knee to the back of the neck of some "White" dude and slowly squeezes the life out of him.
Show me what you got? Why allow mere "myth" to get in the way of your reality?
I think you misunderstood what I said. Doesn't the Rodney King incident back up my point? He didn't die, so he wouldn't have been included in that "study". If you really want to study if there is systemic police racism, then you need to look at the all types of police interactions. Are police more likely to call for back up on a routine stop of a black person? Do they search the car more often? Do they get arrested at a higher percentage for similar stops? How often is force used? Etc? I don't know these answers, but that will give you a better idea if there's systemic racism than just looking at deaths.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:53 am to The Spleen
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Absolutely. I've stayed up well past midnight the past 3 nights watching the events. Here's what I've noticed. Cameramen(whether it be news journalist or a protester streaming) walks with a group of protesters. THey're mostly peaceful with occasional non-violent confrontations with police. Those are quelled and they move on. Eventually a group of looters will ingratiate themselves within that group. As they approach a cross street with no police presence, the looters take off down that street and start looting. The protesters scream at them to stop, the commotion causes a police response, and the police end up arresting more of the protesters than the looters because the protesters are sitting ducks.
I've seen the above happen at least a dozen times the past 3 nights.
That's my point. Don Lemon and his ilk have qualified and editorialized, not simply reported the honest complexity of this situation, regardless of what the camera is seeing each step of the way. It's no better or accurate on the other side of the aisle.
No democratic or republican zealot behind the camera is intellectually honest enough with their audience, and by extension, potential voters to describe anything but their emotional commitment to the cause.
That's not exclusively politics, it's simply human nature at that point.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:54 am to BamaGradinTn
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Remember that this was the second homicide perpetrated by one of their officers in three years...the first being the shooting of the Australian woman by the cop from Somalia, who is serving 12.5 years...but you see little or no mention of that by the media.
Didn't it take 9 months for them to charge that cop?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:57 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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the looting and destroying property just takes away from the meaningful message of the peaceful protests
I don't know about Birmingham but of the news footage I have seen of the riots across the nation, most of the burning and destruction of public and private property has been white thugs.
Seems like most of the justified protestors I see are black. Most of the rioters are white. I assume many are Antifa.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:58 am to pvilleguru
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Remember that this was the second homicide perpetrated by one of their officers in three years...the first being the shooting of the Australian woman by the cop from Somalia, who is serving 12.5 years...but you see little or no mention of that by the media.
Didn't it take 9 months for them to charge that cop?
I think so.
If I recall reading correctly, there hasn't been a Republican on the city council since the nineties.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:59 am to bamameister
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That's my point. Don Lemon and his ilk have qualified and editorialized, not simply reported the honest complexity of this situation, regardless of what the camera is seeing each step of the way. It's no better or accurate on the other side of the aisle.
Oh, my bad. The actual reporting from people on the ground has been pretty fair and accurate, and has included plenty of the good and the bad. I generally tune out when the talking heads in the studio start flapping their gums.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:00 am to bamameister
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Show me what you got?
6 year old white kid sitting in the back seat of his father’s truck getting shot to pieces good enough? Here you go.
Sorry it isn’t some old dude instead.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:03 am to TideSaint
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I assume I have it because my wife tested positive for it. I got tested yesterday so I'll know officially once the results come back.
Just got the call. My Wuflu test results were NEGATIVE.
Wife's too.
I can go back to the gym.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:04 am to bamameister
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That's my point. Don Lemon and his ilk have qualified and editorialized, not simply reported the honest complexity of this situation, regardless of what the camera is seeing each step of the way. It's no better or accurate on the other side of the aisle.
I agree with this. The media is horrible on all fronts. We don’t need editorials, we just need honesty.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:05 am to TideSaint
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Just got the call. My Wuflu test results were NEGATIVE. Wife's too.
Wait, so your wife missed a medical procedure for nothing?? I bet she’s fuming
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:06 am to TideSaint
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Just got the call. My Wuflu test results were NEGATIVE.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:14 am to TideSaint
Great to hear
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:15 am to pvilleguru
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I think you misunderstood what I said. Doesn't the Rodney King incident back up my point? He didn't die, so he wouldn't have been included in that "study". If you really want to study if there is systemic police racism, then you need to look at the all types of police interactions. Are police more likely to call for back up on a routine stop of a black person? Do they search the car more often? Do they get arrested at a higher percentage for similar stops? How often is force used? Etc? I don't know these answers, but that will give you a better idea if there's systemic racism than just looking at deaths.
Then how do you know this is a "myth"?
I've lived in the deep south for most of my life and my existence is a lot of things, just not a figment of my imagination. Deadly racism is real. So is hate, prejudice, an uncanny pride in oneself. Along with that comes feelings of superiority based on wealth, education, country, race, station in life and don't miss this one for some, BEING THE MAJORITY.
Nothing "mythological" about what motivates us all, including black lives.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:15 am to Cobrasize
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Wait, so your wife missed a medical procedure for nothing?? I bet she’s fuming
She is not happy.
We are on our way to the hospital to get paper copy results of the test so she can fax it to the doctor's office.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:16 am to Cobrasize
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The media is horrible on all fronts.
Strongly disagree. The on-the-ground reporting I've watched over the last few days has been fantastic and invaluable. The commentary from the studio hosts has been easy to tune out, and I haven't watched much of it. I assume it's been pretty terrible though.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:20 am to Funky Tide 8
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This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:20 am to Cobrasize
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The Jefferson County curfew that took effect tonight is not being enforced because the sheriff’s office was not notified by the county commission and deputies cannot act until the office can confirm the curfew with the commission, a high-ranking sheriff’s office official told AL.com.
In a meeting Tuesday morning, the Jefferson County Commission voted to enact a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew that started Tuesday night and lasts until June 9, citing “civil unrest” in the county following demonstrations that turned violent in Birmingham Sunday night.
LINK
This is why people have zero faith in the folks in charge in Jefferson County. They are all idiots and have no idea how things operate
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