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re: Possibilities if Tua plays vs Clemson
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:21 pm to Carolina Tide
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:21 pm to Carolina Tide
You may well be correct, but don't forget, last year we were inserting a true freshman who couldn't throw worth a flip into a game against USC. He went on to start the rest of the year and to nearly win the national championship. Who was thinking that playing a true freshman seemed like a winning plan?
I don't think many people in here think that Tua is going to start in place of Jalen. Word is that he will play. What does that mean? No one knows right now. I will say though that the guy has exceptional throwing skills, and would most likely add an additional threat to our offense, and allow the running game to be more effective.
I also have to wonder if the coaching staff doesn't have to come to the conclusion sooner than later that Jalen is not going to be an NFL QB, but that he could play another position.
The idea was probably that Jalen would play three and be gone. But at this rate, that's not going to happen. Tua deserves to play.
I don't think many people in here think that Tua is going to start in place of Jalen. Word is that he will play. What does that mean? No one knows right now. I will say though that the guy has exceptional throwing skills, and would most likely add an additional threat to our offense, and allow the running game to be more effective.
I also have to wonder if the coaching staff doesn't have to come to the conclusion sooner than later that Jalen is not going to be an NFL QB, but that he could play another position.
The idea was probably that Jalen would play three and be gone. But at this rate, that's not going to happen. Tua deserves to play.
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:23 pm to River_City_Tider
If Tua was so good and Saban has so much faith in his current talent that we could win with him this year, on the road, against a top 10 team, then why didn’t he play in the IB, especially when we were trailing and the offense wasn’t doing anything?
He’s not ready yet. COULD he play in The SB for a couple of plays? Sure. But in the final mins of the 4th quarter I guarantee Hurts will be under center.
He’s not ready yet. COULD he play in The SB for a couple of plays? Sure. But in the final mins of the 4th quarter I guarantee Hurts will be under center.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:24 pm to LovetheLord
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You may well be correct, but don't forget, last year we were inserting a true freshman who couldn't throw worth a flip into a game against USC. He went on to start the rest of the year and to nearly win the national championship. Who was thinking that playing a true freshman seemed like a winning plan?
It’s quite different to throw a TF in the first game of the season against a so so (at the time) USC team than it is the CFP semifinal against the #1 team playing their best ball in the season. And let’s not forget that Saban started Barnett and the other QB (forgot his name- the one that transferred too) and both looked awful out there before he threw in Hurts.
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don't think many people in here think that Tua is going to start in place of Jalen. Word is that he will play. What does that mean? No one knows right now. I will say though that the guy has exceptional throwing skills, and would most likely add an additional threat to our offense, and allow the running game to be more effective.
Like I said it wouldn’t surprise me if he does play a few plays- if anything to keep Dabo and Clemson’s d guessing- but if it is a competive game expect the QB who almost beat this team last year to be under center.
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also have to wonder if the coaching staff doesn't have to come to the conclusion sooner than later that Jalen is not going to be an NFL QB, but that he could play another position.
Now I would like if we did What Ohio State did with Braxton Miller when JT Barret came in. I can see Jalen as a decent TE next year.
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The idea was probably that Jalen would play three and be gone. But at this rate, that's not going to happen. Tua deserves to play.
I agree.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:27 pm to LovetheLord
How anybody would rather have a quarterback leading this offense with below average passing skills just amazes me. We have a great corp of receivers and they can't be used with Hurts back there. How many 90 yard passing days will it take for you guys to wake the frick up. Hurts is an athlete playing quarterback while Tua is a quarterback that is also an athlete. He has the quickest release I have ever seen, he has pinpoint accuracy and he is almost as good a runner as Hurts is. This is a no brainier. Time to put an inadequate Jalen Hurts on the bench and give the keys to 5 star phenom Tua. You don't drive a Camry when you have a Lambo in the garage.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:41 pm to Commander Data
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You don't drive a Camry when you have a Lambo in the garage.
But you do drive the camry to keep the miles down on the Lambo and to save money on gas. At least that's what I would do.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:46 pm to Commander Data
He didn't have pin point accuracy when he got 2 WR's killed in the Mercer game (both limped off the field) and threw an INT for a TD against Tenn.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:56 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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But you do drive the camry to keep the miles down and to save money on gas
Till its time for the biggest dance of the season, with the best looking girl on the block.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:36 pm to McGregor
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and threw an INT for a TD against Tenn
After the TN game Saban was asked about Tua and said, He played great, he responded. He apologized. You probably don't know Tua very well, he apologizes for everything.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:05 pm to McGregor
15% of Tagovailoa's passes result in a touchdown. His QB rating, according to sports-reference.com is 186.6. 6.7% of Hurts' attempts result in a td. His qb rating this year is 157.1.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:16 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
I'm pretty much done with the drawn out bickering over QBs.
I came to the realization in the Coker thread when I made a post about Coker's shortcomings compared to Hurts. The same Coker that I vehemently cheered on and defended on this very board for a whole season. I am done comparing, and I appreciate all of QBs, present and past, for giving their blood, sweat, and tears for Alabama.
I just want the best for our TEAM. If that means Tua, then hell yeah. If Hurts can get the job done in January, then great. It being completely out of our control, I'm largely tapping out of the ongoing discussion.
I came to the realization in the Coker thread when I made a post about Coker's shortcomings compared to Hurts. The same Coker that I vehemently cheered on and defended on this very board for a whole season. I am done comparing, and I appreciate all of QBs, present and past, for giving their blood, sweat, and tears for Alabama.
I just want the best for our TEAM. If that means Tua, then hell yeah. If Hurts can get the job done in January, then great. It being completely out of our control, I'm largely tapping out of the ongoing discussion.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
Nobody likes a quitter, Funky.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:37 pm to LovetheLord
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Nobody likes a quitter, Funky.
When in doubt....
Posted on 12/14/17 at 6:50 am to LovetheLord
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Nobody likes a quitter, Funky.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:14 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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15% of Tagovailoa's passes result in a touchdown. His QB rating, according to sports-reference.com is 186.6. 6.7% of Hurts' attempts result in a td. His qb rating this year is 157.1.
Sample size makes a huge difference when comparing percentages. Tua did not play against the same level of competition as Hurts, either. I'm for whoever the coaching staff decides to go with. I do think Tua has a higher ceiling but I hope and pray that Hurts can win us a ring this year.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:31 am to Swm323
On the other hand, Tua actually executes the play called and releases the ball down field.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:42 am to Swm323
As Bill Oliver has said in the past about quarterbacks, you don't know until you give them a chance. Gary Hollingsworth was a prime example of that. He was third string until the other 2 got hurt and transferred. It turned out he was by far the best of the three. But, the current situation is that Hurts really hasn't played bad enough to get benched. We are in the playoffs for the second time under him. I really don't see them playing Tua in this game as long as the score stays close. If Hurts plays and we lose, then I'm sure its open season during Spring practice. Saban hates losing worse than any of us. Tua didn't come to Ala to sit on the bench, though. He is too talented for that. And the same for Hurts.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:31 am to IB4bama
I just want the offense to be in the fight. I don’t want to see the death by a thousand cuts that comes from lack of ball control and the defensive fatigue sure to follow.
Don’t think we can run the ball without a passing game. We have to establish the pass to set up the run.
If Hurst starts, and I’m certain he will, I hope he is given no more than a quarter and a half to figure things out. If we keep punting the ball back to Clemson, Coach Saban should make the change.
I would rather Tua come in and throw a couple of picks, and then trust our defense, than to have the offense completely ineffectual and the defense gradually warn out. My hope is that Tua can loosen up the defense and open up the running game by virtue of his accuracy, quick release, and attack mentality. And that might be worth a couple of turnovers.
Don’t think we can run the ball without a passing game. We have to establish the pass to set up the run.
If Hurst starts, and I’m certain he will, I hope he is given no more than a quarter and a half to figure things out. If we keep punting the ball back to Clemson, Coach Saban should make the change.
I would rather Tua come in and throw a couple of picks, and then trust our defense, than to have the offense completely ineffectual and the defense gradually warn out. My hope is that Tua can loosen up the defense and open up the running game by virtue of his accuracy, quick release, and attack mentality. And that might be worth a couple of turnovers.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:54 am to River_City_Tider
You say we have to pass to set up the run. I say it's the other way around.
If we had committed to the run in last years championship game we would have won. Clemson had no answer to stop our run game until Sark went away from it after Bo went down.
We have shown this year that our run game is just as dominant but we dont commit to it. The number of touches between Harris and Bo speak to that the last few games. If we commit to the run and dominate it should make life easier for whomever is playing QB.
If we had committed to the run in last years championship game we would have won. Clemson had no answer to stop our run game until Sark went away from it after Bo went down.
We have shown this year that our run game is just as dominant but we dont commit to it. The number of touches between Harris and Bo speak to that the last few games. If we commit to the run and dominate it should make life easier for whomever is playing QB.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:05 am to BamaFan2398
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I would rather Tua come in and throw a couple of picks
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:06 am to BamaFan2398
We seem to be able to run in spots. But can we sustain drives on the ground against the best D line in the country if it does not fear our down field passing game?
We hardly ever convert through the air on third downs. And I’m afraid if we go in with a run first mentality, we are gonna face a bunch of 3rd and 3 or more. And you know what that means.
I will agree with you though, with Hurts at qb, we should try to pound the ball, with a spinkling of play action.
I’m just not sure it will work.
We hardly ever convert through the air on third downs. And I’m afraid if we go in with a run first mentality, we are gonna face a bunch of 3rd and 3 or more. And you know what that means.
I will agree with you though, with Hurts at qb, we should try to pound the ball, with a spinkling of play action.
I’m just not sure it will work.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 9:16 am
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