Started By
Message
re: OT: Baumhower’s to offer groceries: ‘If I don’t get help, I’ll be out of business’
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:48 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:48 pm to The Spleen
quote:
I think all the available data shows that it COULD spread even under those restrictions
I've got no doubt it would spread a little more. The question is how much more and does the cost of that spread outweigh the cost of keeping things locked down.
Put more crudely, what's an acceptable number of deaths? That's the real question. Let's say opening those stores results in a 20% increase in all the numbers across the board. As of right now, that would mean 12 more deaths in Alabama. Every one of those is someone's family. To those people and those families, to them the answer is an obvious no but to the state as are those twelve lives worth 100,000 jobs?
I know that's heartless as hell but deep down we all know that the answer is probably not.
1
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:06 pm to East Coast Band
quote:
even the President, to step up and forego their salary
The president already doesn't take a salary. He donated last quarter to fight COVID. Grandma Ivey needs to follow suit, as should every member of congress.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:10 pm to paperwasp
quote:
Baumhower’s to offer groceries:
One of our small locally owned restaurants started selling groceries this week. Including masks, wipes, gloves, many different sanitizing agents, and toilet paper. All the things that the local grocers can't keep in stock lately. Plus, they are selling food items and other stuff.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:00 pm to JustGetItRight
Agreed.
If it's between 100K more deaths and avoiding a depression, or staying in lockdown for 3+ months and creating global economic depression, then i'd rather have the former. Especially since the 100K deaths would be a wash compared to the well studied effects of a depression on a population (suicide, crime, education, etc).
The death rate is estimated at 0.37% by Germany, with individuals below 40 having a death rate sub 0.08% based on other statistics in high testing countries (Korea). The individuals at risk are elderly with no immune systems. The proliferation of it's spread also means herd immunity is an eventual result, likely before a vaccine can ever be mass produced and distributed. So you're looking at 3+ years of continual lockdowns with unsustainable economic conditions or just getting it over with now and loosening restrictions to where the curve isn't terrible but the economy also doesn't flatline.
We're at negative interest rates on bonds, burgeoning national debt across the globe, and essentially staring hyper stagflation (recession and inflation) in the face. In the past month we've printed 5X as much USD as the money in the wallets of the bottom 50% of the population. Unions in Italy are already warning that they're on the brink of collapse in terms of supporting their workers. The dams going to give sooner than later here.
If it's between 100K more deaths and avoiding a depression, or staying in lockdown for 3+ months and creating global economic depression, then i'd rather have the former. Especially since the 100K deaths would be a wash compared to the well studied effects of a depression on a population (suicide, crime, education, etc).
The death rate is estimated at 0.37% by Germany, with individuals below 40 having a death rate sub 0.08% based on other statistics in high testing countries (Korea). The individuals at risk are elderly with no immune systems. The proliferation of it's spread also means herd immunity is an eventual result, likely before a vaccine can ever be mass produced and distributed. So you're looking at 3+ years of continual lockdowns with unsustainable economic conditions or just getting it over with now and loosening restrictions to where the curve isn't terrible but the economy also doesn't flatline.
We're at negative interest rates on bonds, burgeoning national debt across the globe, and essentially staring hyper stagflation (recession and inflation) in the face. In the past month we've printed 5X as much USD as the money in the wallets of the bottom 50% of the population. Unions in Italy are already warning that they're on the brink of collapse in terms of supporting their workers. The dams going to give sooner than later here.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:10 pm to Evolved Simian
Evolved Simian, there’s a new place in Center Point called, Grikey’s meat and market. They have some really good deals if you’re ever around here.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:23 pm to UhOhOreo
quote:
Agreed.
If it's between 100K more deaths and avoiding a depression, or staying in lockdown for 3+ months and creating global economic depression, then i'd rather have the former. Especially since the 100K deaths would be a wash compared to the well studied effects of a depression on a population (suicide, crime, education, etc).
The death rate is estimated at 0.37% by Germany, with individuals below 40 having a death rate sub 0.08% based on other statistics in high testing countries (Korea). The individuals at risk are elderly with no immune systems. The proliferation of it's spread also means herd immunity is an eventual result, likely before a vaccine can ever be mass produced and distributed. So you're looking at 3+ years of continual lockdowns with unsustainable economic conditions or just getting it over with now and loosening restrictions to where the curve isn't terrible but the economy also doesn't flatline.
We're at negative interest rates on bonds, burgeoning national debt across the globe, and essentially staring hyper stagflation (recession and inflation) in the face. In the past month we've printed 5X as much USD as the money in the wallets of the bottom 50% of the population. Unions in Italy are already warning that they're on the brink of collapse in terms of supporting their workers. The dams going to give sooner than later here.
I rarely agree with a USC fan (just kidding), but you're right. The long term effects of this lockdown will cause significant damage. There will be few reasons for businesses to bring back their employees when revenues have declined substantially due to the lack of consumer spending. This will lead to a scenario where we see massive increases in corporate and personal bankruptcies.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:05 am to calgrad
quote:
If it's between 100K more deaths and avoiding a depression, or staying in lockdown for 3+ months and creating global economic depression, then i'd rather have the former. Especially since the 100K deaths would be a wash compared to the well studied effects of a depression on a population (suicide, crime, education, etc).
Suppose one of those unnecessary deaths is YOU or one of your kids? Still, counting pennies?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:20 pm to Cobrasize
quote:
Evolved Simian, there’s a new place in Center Point called, Grikey’s meat and market. They have some really good deals if you’re ever around here.
I've seen them post on Facebook. I love the idea of a locally owned butcher/grocery, but, dang, this is a tough time to open a business.
I also saw that the guy who owns Laster Sundries (pizza and ice cream in an old 1920's era soda fountainin Springville) leased the closed Ironstone Pizza in Trussville and opened a NY style pizzeria in it last week or so. The guy's either got a lot of money to be able to weather this, or a lot of blind faith that business will return to normal very soon. (I'd be fine if both of those things turned out to be true, btw)
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 12:44 pm to bamameister
I would not expect the world to shut down to protect myself from possible death. No way.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 3:15 pm to IB4bama
quote:
We are ruining peoples lives with the shut down.
The shutdown is far more devastating on society than the estimated loss of life was. It may sound cold, but a few hundred thousand sick, elderly people's lives are not worth destroying the economy over.
How many small businesses need to go bankrupt to save an asthmatic 85 year old's life? A person who is likely to die anyway in the next few years.
All the decision making has been based on emotion and fear, not logic and reason.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 6:46 pm to PEPE
You can’t throw the elderly to the wolves completely. Unfortunately, the new normal for the vulnerable until a vaccine or effective treatment is available is being socially isolated. That’s the only way you ensure their safety. The rest of society will have to weigh the risks vs reward for every activity and decide if it’s worth it. But we have to move on and move closer toward a normal society.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 7:08 pm to phil4bama
I feel for Bob. Really do, but he's the leader and the leader has to make hard choices sometimes. Right now, his choices are easy:
1) layoffs/furloughs - most of his employees will earn as much or more from unemployment as they would have on his staff - certainly the wait staff will.
2) apply for the Small business loan to cover expenses and keep the other employees he doesn't layoff/furlough. I know he has 11 locations, but he is still likely under the 500 employee max (or, if not, those 11 locations are probably different LLCs and he can apply for each LLC).
He has to make tough choices now so those laid off/furloughed employees have a business to come back to.
Sucks what we are all going through as a country and as small business owners. Hate it.
1) layoffs/furloughs - most of his employees will earn as much or more from unemployment as they would have on his staff - certainly the wait staff will.
2) apply for the Small business loan to cover expenses and keep the other employees he doesn't layoff/furlough. I know he has 11 locations, but he is still likely under the 500 employee max (or, if not, those 11 locations are probably different LLCs and he can apply for each LLC).
He has to make tough choices now so those laid off/furloughed employees have a business to come back to.
Sucks what we are all going through as a country and as small business owners. Hate it.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 7:28 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:39 pm to FairhopeTider
I used to be a regular there, and still friends with one of the girls that works there. I don’t begrudge his decision, and certainly empathize with his predicament. That said, it’s been amazing to me to see the true vanity of people. I live very close to to The Male Room, and my Nextdoor app has had post after post from people looking for someone to cut their hair or do their nails. Is it really that crucial to get that done while you’re primarily confined to your home? And even if you are going to work, everyone is in the same situation of not being able to get a haircut. Your hair growing out isn’t going to kill you. I was due for a haircut at the start of this thing and it looks like crap right now, but I really couldn’t care less. I have nowhere to go.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:33 pm to The Spleen
quote:
That said, it’s been amazing to me to see the true vanity of people. I live very close to to The Male Room, and my Nextdoor app has had post after post from people looking for someone to cut their hair or do their nails. Is it really that crucial to get that done while you’re primarily confined to your home? And even if you are going to work, everyone is in the same situation of not being able to get a haircut. Your hair growing out isn’t going to kill you. I was due for a haircut at the start of this thing and it looks like crap right now, but I really couldn’t care less. I have nowhere to go.
How is that barber supposed to pay his bills without cutting hair? That's his livelihood.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:03 pm to TideSaint
If the fricking WWE is “essential”, liquor stores, and other asinine things are still open, I can see hair cutting being ok.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:07 pm to phil4bama
I certainly could use a hair cut. I'm told every single morning that I'm supposed to maintain military bearing regarding grooming standards but I can't get a haircut because the barber shops are shut down.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:28 am to TideSaint
quote:
How is that barber supposed to pay his bills without cutting hair? That's his livelihood.
The guy referenced in the article doesn't cut hair, he just owns the business. His wife used to cut hair there, and may still do so. It's also not his primary business, or wasn't a few years ago. My cousin knows him and his wife very well. The article actually got his name wrong.
That said, the point of my post wasn't to deride his decision. I get it. It was more about the dire need some folks in my community are placing on a haircut when the majority of them have nowhere to go.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:32 am to The Spleen
The new jobless claims being the total up to 22 million unemployed. Lots of rumors right now that the PPP is already drained.
We might see more instances like The Male Room before the end of the week and honestly I wouldn’t blame them. People aren’t going to sit back and watch their livelihoods get destroyed.
We might see more instances like The Male Room before the end of the week and honestly I wouldn’t blame them. People aren’t going to sit back and watch their livelihoods get destroyed.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:46 am to FairhopeTider
It's borderline criminal that the House and Senate are adjourned until early May. Pelosi and McConnell need to get their heads out of the asses, put aside their differences, and get back to work.
Page 2 of 3
Latest Alabama News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News