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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)

Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:18 pm to
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:18 pm to
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Basically, what I was saying, is that if you aren’t happy in America, you are free to leave and go to another place that may fit you better.


Oh, hell yeah. !00%.

It's the best passport on earth.
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
977 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:19 pm to
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You're both getting onto someone for "disagreeing" with the notion that people need to get back to work and that the longer this goes on the more small businesses will be permanently closed when there was in fact no disagreement with those statements. There was only a response to the effect of "dead people can't go back to work, and in order to make it safe to go back to work we need to do the following..." For some reason you apparently find that kind of statement objectionable.


Exactly. I fully understand what this is doing to small businesses. In fact, I work in a small business my family and I run. Luckily for us, the retail side of our business is one considered essential. I am personally forced out of work right now due to having the luck to develop an autoimmune disease at the same time as this Covid pandemic. This has shifted more of the burden onto the other members of my family.

Although we are essential, and therefore, open, our business has suffered. People are just not coming in and buying things as before since people are not going out as much. A large number of our customers run small businesses themselves. I'm acutely aware what is happening to small businesses. This doesn't change the fact that I think it is still better in the long run if we reach the ability to do widespread testing and titer detection before we try to return to normalcy.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:25 pm to
How is a bus driver in North Carolina that can't afford to take a day off when he's sick going to be able to afford to move him and his family to another country?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
32902 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:29 pm to
If we are just going to run with hypotheticals.. how is the 100's of families going to survive after losing their possible bread winners due to 1 bus driver putting everyone at risk?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:32 pm to
Not too well. Which is why this country needs better sick leave, so a person doesn't feel compelled to work even though they are sick.
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
977 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:33 pm to
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Basically, what I was saying, is that if you aren’t happy in America, you are free to leave and go to another place that may fit you better.


So it's wrong to stay and try to change things and make them better?
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:40 pm to
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How is a bus driver in North Carolina that can't afford to take a day off when he's sick going to be able to afford to move him and his family to another country?


It’s not America’s fault that he is a bus driver and can’t afford to move his family.. He made decisions and now it’s on him. We are all a product of our decisions. I’m sure there are buses that he can drive in other countries
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:40 pm to
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The crime rate is super low overall


I am confused or is this bourbon talking?

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Violent crime involving tourists is rare in Costa Rica but it’s a serious and rapidly growing problem for residents. Since 2015 the murder rate has significantly exceeded the World Health Organization homicide epidemic threshold of 10 per 100,000 inhabitants.


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They are there to help, not hide and act like Jethro Bond from an unmarked car.


Maybe the crime rate is not that low just not reported. Since Zamora was arrested the country has grown in trafficking and guns. Now connections with other Central American Cartels run through Costa Rica even with the arrest of Nunez and Fajardo who are both running their organization in the country from behind bars.

Costa Rica may not have caught up to the Northern Triangle of Central America but the path it is on it will not be long now that the cartels are fully in control of the drug trafficking and crime rings.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:41 pm to
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So it's wrong to stay and try to change things and make them better?


Driving a bus while you’re sick isn’t trying to make the country better. That’s being selfish and only looking out for yourself
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7291 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:48 pm to
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you and your family keep your spirits up. You have a bunch of folks praying


Thank you. I appreciate it very much. My family is doing very well considering. My 21 yr old that infected me is doing quite well but still has a nagging cough. The other two kids you can hardly tell are even sick. They are living on Instagram right now. Thanks to the facebook messenger and apps like it I am able to see those guys every day when I talk to them.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:50 pm to
Have they told you why they believe it hits some folks harder than others? Besides underlying health conditions.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:09 pm to
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am confused or is this bourbon talking?

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Violent crime involving tourists is rare in Costa Rica but it’s a serious and rapidly growing problem for residents. Since 2015 the murder rate has significantly exceeded the World Health Organization homicide epidemic threshold of 10 per 100,000 inhabitants.


Costa Rica is significantly divided. The murder stuff and the organized crime stuff is in Limon, another city in another province, which is the Carribean side of the country. It rarely spills over to the capital and metro area, and is many hours of driving and a long way from me. I don't even lock my doors when I leave my house. Seriously. Statistics don't tell the real story.

But this country created a problem with the drug kingpins moving product through illegal land-strips in the national park system, which is not monitored. It is dangerous on that side of the country, tho, yeah. But I'm nowhere close to there.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6588 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:13 pm to
Oh, good. We were all worked about you.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7291 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:17 pm to
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Have they told you why they believe it hits some folks harder than others? Besides underlying health conditions.


No but I don't mind asking their opinion when I see them. Obviously underlying issues and age are the biggest reason most folks develop critical symptoms but there are plenty of healthy 30 yr olds in icu that are healthy.
Posted by CrimsonShadow
Montgomery
Member since Nov 2015
1278 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:18 pm to
McClendon
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:35 pm to
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But this country created a problem with the drug kingpins moving product through illegal land-strips in the national park system, which is not monitored. It is dangerous on that side of the country, tho, yeah. But I'm nowhere close to there.


Yes for a long time the country was used only to traffic especially through the port of Limon. Outside cartels, especially Mexican cartels like the Zetas, Gulf, and more recent the Sinaloa have gained a lot of traction within the country. The Sinaloa is believed to behind the support of MORECO which is the first real major cartel in the country and it is not based out of Limon. Most intel points more inland to places in the Heredia province in towns like Heredia and Belen just north of San Jose.

Not to mention in the provinces of Guanacaste, Puntarenas, and San José are becoming notorious for their sex and organ trafficking, child sex tourism, and forced labor. Your country is currently on a tier 2 watchlist for these issues.

I understand your country is not the worst offender in the region but it is not the picture of roses you like to paint it. The police as you mentioned get paid very little and hence why they look the other way. Why in the hell would they want to arrest someone or interfere with a lucrative crime market that not only could cost them their lives but that of their families.
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
977 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:45 pm to
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So it's wrong to stay and try to change things and make them better?


Driving a bus while you’re sick isn’t trying to make the country better. That’s being selfish and only looking out for yourself




Um, false equivalency much? My response was to the statement that if you don't like how things are in this country you should just leave.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/30/20 at 11:53 pm to
Whining about it on the internet isn’t changing anything. When someone whines all of the time, people start tuning out.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:40 am to
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organ trafficking, child sex tourism,


Yes, but I cannot stress enough how sheltered the metro area is from these issues. Costa Rica is the Wild West in some ways, but I still prefer it to the police state that is Lower Alabama.

I just prefer it. I'm golden here. All places have criminal elements, but we should not sacrifice the quality of life of the general public to fight the criminal elements. I am against police states.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:59 am to
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Costa Rica is the Wild West in some ways, but I still prefer it to the police state that is Lower Alabama.


Many places are though I can not speak for Lower Alabama. I will say sometimes less control does provide more freedoms.

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I just prefer it. I'm golden here. All places have criminal elements, but we should not sacrifice the quality of life of the general public to fight the criminal elements. I am against police states.


I do agree here because in the end it is all about being in a great place in mind and body. I have seen my share of police states/countries though and I would not put the US in that category. My exposure to these elements though makes me appreciate where I live even more. I have learned only I control my quality of life and happiness and here in the US I have so many choices to allow that. But in the end the key is being happy with those choices.
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