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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)

Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:31 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:31 pm to
LINK ]States rushing to reopen are likely making a deadly error, coronavirus models and experts warn (Washington Post)
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:32 pm to
LINK ]Washington State Builds Coronavirus Contact Tracing 'Fire Brigade' (NPR)
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:40 pm to
Almost 35 years later and the next Top Gun coming out in December I guess the Russians are still salty over the movie.

quote:

A Russian fighter jet buzzed a US aircraft by flying an 'inverted maneuver' just 25 feet in front of it


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Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 1:05 am to
I’ll tell ya, the IHME projections seem worthless. They said April 21st would be the peak deaths per day in AL, with 20 on that day (ended up with 31).

There were 34 on April 22nd.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 1:08 am
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:53 am to
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:37 am to
quote:

next Top Gun coming out in December

I wonder how new movie distributions will happen as we get back to normal?

It seems AMC narrowly avoided bankruptcy and is barely hanging on with $4.9 billion in debt.

Think we go straight to streaming with these for a while (or maybe at some point for good)?
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:48 am to
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I wonder how new movie distributions will happen as we get back to normal?

It seems AMC narrowly avoided bankruptcy and is barely hanging on with $4.9 billion in debt.

Think we go straight to streaming with these for a while (or maybe at some point for good)?


I think some are going to test the waters to see if it is a viable option. Especially if their are genres out there that do not draw large audiences, art house films, and or films that go straight to DVD, I could see those type going to purchase for online streaming.


Some films are doing it now like Troll 2 was I believe 19.99 to watch online but I think it will not be feasible for a blockbuster film to much money would be lost in my opinion. No way to stop people from inviting all their friends or charging people to come over and watch for a fee.

In the end I think though what we will see is movie companies like Disney flex and push to break restrictions allowing them to own their own theaters. Disney is already forcing theaters for larger shares of the proceeds. It will be interesting to see how it pans out with antitrust laws regarding monopolies.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 7:48 am
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:49 am to
Another 4.4 million first-time applications for unemployment this week, bringing the total to 26 million in about a month. Yeah, this is totally sustainable long-term.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:53 am to
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Another 4.4 million first-time applications for unemployment this week, bringing the total to 26 million in about a month. Yeah, this is totally sustainable long-term.


Since you are replying to me where in the hell did I say is was sustainable?

And opening up next week is not sustainable either. Right now the economy is in a no win situation.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:54 am to
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It will be interesting to see how it pans out with antitrust laws regarding monopolies.


Prediction: Disney will be allowed to do whatever it wants.

The three biggest anti-trust efforts ever undertaken by the government were Standard Oil, AT&T, and Microsoft. Microsoft was ultimately allowed to continue doing pretty much whatever it wanted, and while Standard Oil and AT&T were broken up, over time the entities they were broken up into have gradually coalesced back into a small handful of bloated conglomerates. I mean if Comcast can't be broken up despite the fact that they have literal monopolies on broadband internet service in numerous geographic areas then Disney is probably safe even if they double their current ownership of the domestic box office.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:03 am to
This is where I think some fail to realize the situation. Open up the big companies and manufacturing. Yeah they go back to some productivity but no one is still buying. Car sales are down and are expected to stay at a record low over the next year. Same for a lot of large manufacturing items.

Small businesses reopen but unless people deem it necessary they will not be able to sustain either long term.

The reports are saying people were caught off guard and the financial industry already predicting spending if we recover will be down for at least a year because people are going to start saving to not be in this situation again. Especially with CDC and most medical officials calling for a second wave in either the fall or next winter.

So go ahead and open a large auto plant or some other industry because they will not bring back everyone as the demand for those goods are down. Not to mention the ones that stayed open are closing down in many places now due to the virus outbreak. Look at all the poultry and chicken plants. But we want to rush to open these things back up.

Even long term issues for businesses will force many to close their doors. Do you think state and local governments are going to have a easier recovery. Their coffers are empty and having to borrow. Most states are probably going to see the largest cuts spending over the next years and to help compensate businesses along with individuals are getting ready to see some of the largest tax increases.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:05 am to
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The ADPH says a recent spike of COVID-19 deaths is due to a change in classification criteria. The former criteria of having "reported deaths" and "died from illness" is now summarized into one category - "COVID-19 deaths."
Posted by TideWarrior
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Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Prediction: Disney will be allowed to do whatever it wants.


I agree

quote:

The three biggest anti-trust efforts ever undertaken by the government were Standard Oil, AT&T, and Microsoft. Microsoft was ultimately allowed to continue doing pretty much whatever it wanted, and while Standard Oil and AT&T were broken up, over time the entities they were broken up into have gradually coalesced back into a small handful of bloated conglomerates. I mean if Comcast can't be broken up despite the fact that they have literal monopolies on broadband internet service in numerous geographic areas then Disney is probably safe even if they double their current ownership of the domestic box office.


I might replace ATT with Ma Bell but in regards to ATT they are currently the largest internet and cable company currently. Comcast I believe is currently 6th or 7th in regards to broadband. The interesting variable in all of that is Bill Gates. Owns Microsoft and made large billion dollar investment into Comcast to get them where they are now. The Gates Foundation has a large ownership stake in Cox Cable. Now Microsoft and ATT have been partnering up for ventures. The only other major player for both internet and cable over the years has been Charter which was owned and created by his former friend Paul Allen.

The problem with broadband and cable outside of the satellite companies which has really helped ATT to move to the front on both markets the government prevents competition by only allowing consumers one option. Now where I live we are starting to see local municipalities step in and control by forcing the companies to bid for the service to the area. It has shown to get a more competitive rate for the consumer.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:19 am to
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Since you are replying to me where in the hell did I say is was sustainable?

I just hit reply to the latest post. I'm not addressing anything you said in particular.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13187 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:22 am to
quote:

I just hit reply to the latest post. I'm not addressing anything you said in particular.




No problem

But I do agree because I think neither option currently is viable long term and all solutions by those in charge that have been presented are reactionary and only focus on the short term.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:53 am to
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The former criteria of having "reported deaths" and "died from illness" is now summarized into one category - "COVID-19 deaths."

Of course it is

So if somebody dies of a heart attack that also has covid, I guess they also get marked as a covid death
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
13925 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:09 am to
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Of course it is

So if somebody dies of a heart attack that also has covid, I guess they also get marked as a covid death

Governments would NEVER exaggerate the threat of an emergency as an excuse to gain more power and restrict civil liberties.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 12:15 pm to
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Governments would NEVER exaggerate the threat of an emergency as an excuse to gain more power and restrict civil liberties.


It isn't as much about that as it is first getting money. Look upthread and you'll see the part of the relief bill that rewards having more COVID deaths. The second reason is that they're probably assessing how valuable it is to devote staff to researching individual medical records to determine the precise cause of death of someone who's still gonna be dead when they're done.

I abhor the fact (and yes, it is a fact. I posted an example I have direct knowledge of upthread) that some jurisdictions are inflating the numbers but if I had to choose I'd much prefer ADPH staff to be getting ready to do contact tracing and such so we can get the place back open.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16161 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

So if somebody dies of a heart attack that also has covid, I guess they also get marked as a covid death


Yep. Asymptomatic person who throws a stroke, suffers sudden cardiac arrest, dies at the end of a long battle with a terminal illness but tests postitive after death is being counted as COVID in some places.

Heck, there are probably some places that will count the guy that gets shot 15 times but tested positive after death as a COVID (lookin' at you JeffCo). That's a double win. More COVID to count when you try to claim impact for money AND the crime rate goes down!
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11868 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 1:18 pm to
Results of a study on Gilead's remdesovir accidentally released early today. I haven't seen the details, but it's not good news. It was characterized by some as no benefit and others called it a flop.
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