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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
We're due with our 3rd child on May 5, so I'm really looking forward to that logistical nightmare.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:49 pm to Robot Santa
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I spoke to someone who is in a position to know about these things the other day and there are many school systems in Georgia that are privately discussing shutting down until next January.
I've been told Alabama schools are preparing for the same. May just be contingency plans though.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:57 pm to The Spleen
Damn. I am a teacher and have had the luxury of being off while still getting paid while others obviously have not been so lucky . I feel guilty about it really but I guess it is one of the perks of being a government employee but shutting down for that long is scary to think about and really hate I read that 
TLDR- feel guilty about getting paid . Ready to teach / coach. Tired of sitting at home eating
TLDR- feel guilty about getting paid . Ready to teach / coach. Tired of sitting at home eating
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And in that scenario (or a full closure) there is going to clearly have to be widespread acceptance of a very flexible work environment. The good news is that we were all forced into it for a month plus, so it won't be a foreign or scary concept for most like it would have been in the past.
Yeah but Georgia is also a right to work state and you can bet your arse that a ton of people would lose their jobs if they had to stay at home with their kids 2 or 3 days a week after things are allowed to re-open. Kemp will of course take no measures to prevent this from happening and say it's a local issue. Until a local government actually does something about it, at which time he will take immediate action to stop them.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:00 pm to JustGetItRight
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I couldn't disagree more on shutting down for all but pickup. That would have done even further damage to the economy and even more importantly people's psychological state.
I don't think you can overestimate how helpful keeping the stores open at reduced capacity would benefit us. For starters, the obvious result would be more people would be at work - but just as important would be how much and how long they'd be willing and able to tolerate restrictions. They aren't going to accept what's happening now for very much longer and then you're going to see large scale civil disobedience. If, on the other hand, all these places were able to keep the doors open at a lower capacity you'd see people willing to accept that for months.
I guess for me we have not been inside a store for a month now. No need to with deliveries and curbside delivery. Stores now are still operating on reduced capacity, more workers are refusing to go into work now since many are contracting the virus while working at these stores. This would protect many more of their employees and still maintain workers to restock and fill/pick the orders.
Civil disobedience is just around the corner. People now are already protesting and breaking orders across the country due to the current restrictions. The problem is if these orders were stricter from the beginning we might recover quickly but to many people do not want to listen and believe going to church and over crowding business and public places is their decision to make.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:02 pm to Bear88
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Damn. I am a teacher and have had the luxury of being off while still getting paid while others obviously have not been so lucky . I feel guilty about it really but I guess it is one of the perks of being a government employee but shutting down for that long is scary to think about and really hate I read that
TLDR- feel guilty about getting paid . Ready to teach / coach. Tired of sitting at home eating
I am getting paid by the college and still earning benefits but all my classes are online right now so with the transition to online I am still working full time just from home.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:03 pm to Robot Santa
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I spoke to someone who is in a position to know about these things the other day and there are many school systems in Georgia that are privately discussing shutting down until next January. Obviously Governor "I just found out yesterday that this stuff is really bad y'all" is going to declare business as usual much sooner than that, so you're going to end up with a lot of people having to voluntarily withdraw from the workforce if they go through with that.
NC is already talking about at best after Labor Day.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:03 pm to Bear88
I would put that info in the rumor column for sure right now, and it may have even just been her particular school district.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:03 pm to Robot Santa
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Kemp will of course take no measures to prevent this from happening and say it's a local issue. Until a local government actually does something about it, at which time he will take immediate action.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:05 pm to Bear88
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Damn. I am a teacher and have had the luxury of being off while still getting paid while others obviously have not been so lucky . I feel guilty about it really but I guess it is one of the perks of being a government employee but shutting down for that long is scary to think about and really hate I read that
TLDR- feel guilty about getting paid . Ready to teach / coach. Tired of sitting at home eating
My wife and my kid's teachers have been working their asses off with materials and virtual learning sessions and all of that stuff - but we are in a big place in a district with lots of tech stuff already built-in, so while they hadn't used it much it was all available.
The district and county, in general, are run by crooked fools but being huge and having a lot of money does have it's perks.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:12 pm to TideWarrior
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am getting paid by the college and still earning benefits but all my classes are online right now so with the transition to online I am still working full time just from home.
Same here. Our Supt. Even requires us to do online stuff with PE classes. I teach World History, Sociology, Psychology, and middle school PE. So I am staying relatively busy as well
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:25 pm to Bear88
Saw where college presidents told the NCAA they would not be interested in having football until students are on campuses . Heck BC, was talking about closing til 2021. Surely this will get resolved
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If you have a 5 and a 10-year-old your childcare for the majority of the day is school.
This. As I said, with my wife as a teacher, we're fortunate. But there are going to be others who work in industries that are preparing to reopen that have to scramble now to find something to do with their kids. I'm not suggesting that this is a reason not to reopen, just putting it forward as another factor that the powers-that-be will have to consider throughout this process.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:41 pm to TideWarrior
The very important thing to note on California and Washington is not the total lock down but that they were extremely quick to issue the "No Large Gatherings" directives. Those may prove to be the most important measures of all when this is eventually researched.
No one is out of the woods yet but California so far looks to be among the few most effective areas in the entire world in combating this.
They have every element that supposedly enhanced the possibility of a disastrous wave (dense cities, tons of European/Asian travel, demographics like Oakland and LA... etc etc etc)
Yet NYC has something like 8-10 thousand deaths and SF has around 20.
I mean how bad would it have to get there in coming months to say that this doesn't sound like a miracle?
If my record shop were in California instead of Brooklyn, I would be a lot more optimistic about shoppers coming out in force over the next 6 months having only witnessed that instead of the post-apocalyptic scene NYC has been.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I still can't believe anyone gave that ad the green light. I mean holy shite...
Really though that election was up there with Trump v. Hillary for me in terms of no matter what I do in this voting booth I am going to feel like going home and taking a shower as soon as I leave. Abrams is just way out there on a lot of issues and Kemp is basically the malicious Georgia version of Forrest Gump.
Really though that election was up there with Trump v. Hillary for me in terms of no matter what I do in this voting booth I am going to feel like going home and taking a shower as soon as I leave. Abrams is just way out there on a lot of issues and Kemp is basically the malicious Georgia version of Forrest Gump.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:49 pm to Robot Santa
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Really though that election was up there with Trump v. Hillary for me in terms of no matter what I do in this voting booth I am going to feel like going home and taking a shower as soon as I leave. Abrams is just way out there on a lot of issues and Kemp is basically the malicious Georgia version of Forrest Gump.
I actually voted for Abrams and I can honestly say I've never regretted a vote more in my life (and that has very little to do with Kemp and everything to do with Abrams post-election). I would have gladly voted for Lil Jimmy Carter over either of them (and definitely Deal again, or somebody like Walt Maddux). And the Trump/Hillary comparison is absolutely 100% spot on from my point of view as well. It's exactly how it felt, and I voted for Abrams solely because I semi-regretted voting 3rd party in the Trump/Hillary election and thought I needed to pick 1 of the 2.
At the very least Kemp had been, until all this, pretty much a typical Georgia Republican governor who kept business running and didn't say anything redneck or stupid or racist - which was my biggest fear after his campaign.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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At the very least Kemp had been, until all this, pretty much a typical Georgia Republican governor who kept business running and didn't say anything redneck or stupid or racist - which was my biggest fear after his campaign.
Deal was going to hand over a strong economy to whoever won that election and it was as simple as staying out of the way and not doing anything stupid. I didn't trust Abrams to be content governing as a left of center Democrat who isn't going to rock the boat, and while Kemp is capable of staying out of the way, it is only by virtue of the fact that he's too stupid to tie his own shoes. Carter would have definitely been preferable to both. Hell, I'd have preferred Casey Cagle, who is just a slightly more corrupt version of Deal, over Kemp and Abrams.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:21 pm to Robot Santa
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Hell, I'd have preferred Casey Cagle, who is just a slightly more corrupt version of Deal, over Kemp and Abrams.
Absolutely - I don't like Cagle at all and hate his rather blatant crony capitalist background, but he's smart and would have kept the trains running on time.
Georgia has a very solid recent history of having "don't fvck it up, act more professional than your southern neighbors" governors. Trump disease swooped in and fvcked it all up.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:23 pm to The Spleen
Barring some genetic mutation that basically turns society into the Walking Dead, schools will start on time - or around Labor Day, which is when they should start in the south anyway.
Some countries in Europe are opening theirs back up right now. Denmark is about to start back elementary school. Sweden never closed them. Even Italy is letting retail stores open again.
Remote learning at the pre-college levels only worked this year because most systems were entering their last grading period before summer. Not a whole lot of new concepts were going to be introduced down the stretch. That's really important because there are tons of stories out there about how many kids (really parents) just decided summer break started 9 weeks early and aren't holding up their end of the remote learning process. Most of them will catch up fine next year but try this on the front side of a school year and you'll be lucky if 25% of the student body nationally learns what they're supposed to learn in the 2020-21 school year.
I've got no doubt colleges will be skittish. They've got the concerns of irresponsible young adults tasting freedom for the first time to contend with and most college administrators aren't terribly bold by nature - but they will open too. They can't afford not to open.
Same with sports. If they don't have a football season this fall a very significant number of athletic programs around the country will cease to operate. Heck, I can't begin to imagine how much trouble Disney's in right now. All their parks are closed, none of their movies are playing in theaters, and ESPN can't even run bowling. Disney+ and OTA ABC are literally the only parts of their business model that can produce ANY revenue right now.
I do, however, hope the colleges drag their feet. There's an EMS course I wanted to take this summer that was only going to be offered in-person instead of the distance learning they sometimes do. Since I'm lazy by nature I'd much rather do it at home than drive 45 miles one way twice a week.
Some countries in Europe are opening theirs back up right now. Denmark is about to start back elementary school. Sweden never closed them. Even Italy is letting retail stores open again.
Remote learning at the pre-college levels only worked this year because most systems were entering their last grading period before summer. Not a whole lot of new concepts were going to be introduced down the stretch. That's really important because there are tons of stories out there about how many kids (really parents) just decided summer break started 9 weeks early and aren't holding up their end of the remote learning process. Most of them will catch up fine next year but try this on the front side of a school year and you'll be lucky if 25% of the student body nationally learns what they're supposed to learn in the 2020-21 school year.
I've got no doubt colleges will be skittish. They've got the concerns of irresponsible young adults tasting freedom for the first time to contend with and most college administrators aren't terribly bold by nature - but they will open too. They can't afford not to open.
Same with sports. If they don't have a football season this fall a very significant number of athletic programs around the country will cease to operate. Heck, I can't begin to imagine how much trouble Disney's in right now. All their parks are closed, none of their movies are playing in theaters, and ESPN can't even run bowling. Disney+ and OTA ABC are literally the only parts of their business model that can produce ANY revenue right now.
I do, however, hope the colleges drag their feet. There's an EMS course I wanted to take this summer that was only going to be offered in-person instead of the distance learning they sometimes do. Since I'm lazy by nature I'd much rather do it at home than drive 45 miles one way twice a week.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:43 pm to JustGetItRight
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Beaumont Wayne Hospital in Wayne, Michigan, has temporarily closed its doors during the coronavirus pandemic, drawing ire from the city’s mayor.
The hospital, which received approval to operate as a coronavirus-only hospital from the state just weeks ago, transferred the “few” remaining coronavirus patients to other hospitals, redeployed “most” staffers as additional help at other Beaumont locations “where they can provide care for more patients,” and temporarily laid off remaining staffers.
According to the hospital’s statement, the facility was standing by for a surge in coronavirus cases but noted that the surge was “more moderated, likely due to aggressive social distancing, the stay at home order and other factors mitigating the spread of the disease.”
However, the hospital is unable to restart elective procedures due to the “several executive orders that severely restrict the extent and type of care” it can provide. Therefore, the hospital will continue in its status as a coronavirus-only hospital and will reopen should a virus surge overwhelm the system.
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