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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:02 am to FairhopeTider
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:02 am to FairhopeTider
Well said. 
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:07 am to FairhopeTider
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Going to walk a tightrope here. The Coronavirus is a serious deal. If we didn’t do any mitigation then it would really be bad. However, I think we’ve seen an overreaction on several levels. We’ve seen states like Alabama get pressured into stay at home orders when it wasn’t necessary. I think we’ve seen local officials use the opportunity to get podium time and have a power trip. We’ve seen copycat leadership because officials don’t want to be the only hold out and suffer the wrath of Karens. So on and so forth.
Your tightrope perspective makes no sense. Now our country has overreacted to this virus? I thought we were underprepared? The French president said boldly that his country was ill-prepared for what they are experiencing. Over 100 Chinese who were medically cleared has now tested positive with the virus again. There are 2000 new cases entering NY hospitals every day. One of the loudmouth preachers telling his congregation in Virginia to defy the state law and continue to congregate just died. His wife is also very sick. I have no idea how not allowing some states freedom of movement while others are overwhelming the funeral homes is where it all went wrong.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:07 am to FairhopeTider
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Going to walk a tightrope here. The Coronavirus is a serious deal. This wasn’t some hoax or “just the flu.” If we didn’t do any mitigation then it would really be bad. However, I think we’ve seen an overreaction on several levels. We’ve seen states like Alabama get pressured into stay at home orders when it wasn’t necessary. I think we’ve seen local officials use the opportunity to get podium time and have a power trip. We’ve seen copycat leadership because officials don’t want to be the only holdout and suffer the wrath of Karens. So on and so forth.
This is hindsight and easy to say now, but I think we could’ve had some more thoughtful measures that maybe wouldn’t have harmed our economy so badly.
This was an event that needed to be taken seriously but we got the unnecessary overreaction that comes with an ice day in the south on top of it.
Agreed - but I think most of that panicked response came out of not having any sort of realistic plan in place for this type of situation. And while it is true that this situation hasn't happened in 100 years, it is also true that this type of situation has been predicted and war-gamed by scientists and doctors for years and years. President Bush came up with plans and a task force to prepare for almost this exact type of situation. However, and understandably, the budget wasn't there and in the transition of power it fell by the wayside.
Like with anything, planning leads to rational decision making and calm thinking. Panic combine with the unknown makes humans more susceptible to quick decisions and copycat thinking. All in all some people have shown serious leadership, some have attempted to look serious to increase their profile and street cred and some have been total clown shows.
I do think that shutting everything down for a month was the right call, though (as painful as it is). Albany (and other small places like it across the country) shows that this thing can just as easily burn through a small southern town as it can a street block in the Bronx. Churches, funerals and nursing homes have specifically led to something like 2/3 of all cases in Georgia.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:11 am to FairhopeTider
Knowing that I'll be accused of derailing the thread again, I'll say that some of the local overreaction was at least partially caused by the under reaction at the federal level.
But like you said, we also have the benefit now of hindsight. At the time some of those decisions were made, we knew way less than we know now, and what we knew then was it was ravaging Italy. Add in how South Korea handled it and our lack of adequate testing, and those stay-at-home orders make a lot of sense.
But like you said, we also have the benefit now of hindsight. At the time some of those decisions were made, we knew way less than we know now, and what we knew then was it was ravaging Italy. Add in how South Korea handled it and our lack of adequate testing, and those stay-at-home orders make a lot of sense.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:16 am to FairhopeTider
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but we got the unnecessary overreaction that comes with an ice day in the south on top of it.
Oh yeah? Well tell me if this makes sense:
After being out of school for 3 weeks my kids' teachers were unavailable on Friday due to a "planned" Weather Day.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:21 am to TideSaint
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Morgan Hightower
@mchightower
HAPPENING NOW:
@GovernorKayIvey is providing an update on COVID-19 in our state
On what happens after stay-at-home is lifted, @GovernorKayIvey said she's been working on a plan for weeks
@GovernorKayIvey said businesses reopening will be in "phases."
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A special committee has formed to evaluate when Alabama's economy can get back to business.
Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth said the Alabama Small Business Commission Emergency Task Force has formed a subcommittee that will study when Alabama can reopen its businesses as the coronavirus pandemic eases.
The group will present a plan to Gov. Kay Ivey and State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris by April 17.
State Rep. Danny Garrett, R-Trussville, is the subcommittee’s chairman. Committee members include Sen. Chris Elliott, R-Fairhope; Sen. Garlan Gudger, R-Cullman; Rep. Joe Lovvorn, R-Auburn; Rosemary Elebash, National Federation of Independent Business, Alabama chair; Mindy Hanan, Alabama Restaurant and Hospitality Association executive director; Katie Britt, CEO of Business Council of Alabama; Rick Brown, president of Alabama Retail Association; Tony Cochran of CK Business Solutions in Albertville; and Stephen McNair of McNair Historic Preservation in Mobile.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:53 am to phil4bama
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If we could test, we could stay out in front of it and relax the restrictions. But getting more and better testing out there has been a complete and utter failure on everyone's part. It's been promised for weeks, but still isn't showing up in any great numbers. How about playing the DPA card for tests and get the damn things out there where we can identify and isolate and treat and stop this paralysis?
What the frick are you talking about? They have shipped out literally millions of tests in the last 4 weeks since the FedGov took it away from the CDC and turned it over to private industry. Roche by themselves is shipping about 400k per week. How long do you think it takes to produce as many tests as you're wanting to see?
Testing has actually slowed down, because there are many fewer people presenting with symptoms. The last smaller states will reach their "peak" in the next few days, and those upcoming hospital admissions and deaths have been symptomatic and were already tested.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
Some of the problems and panic were caused by mixed messages from the media and political opportunists taking advantage of the situation. It continues every day and with so few able to weed out all the noise and think for themselves, we have confusion and at times chaos.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:05 pm to CrimsonShadow
What worries me is the potential shitshow May could be relative to partisan politics. Ivey could lazily follow a Trump directive and start opening the state back up but we could see Mayors like Woodfin and Maddox keep restrictions in place just be contrarian.
Not to mention what will be going on nationally. You'll have a lot of people trying to go full steam ahead out of quarantine while others will be screaming about every subsequent death.
Not to mention what will be going on nationally. You'll have a lot of people trying to go full steam ahead out of quarantine while others will be screaming about every subsequent death.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:21 pm to CrimsonShadow
Imagine what would have happened if early quarantine had occurred and there were only a few hundred or a couple thousand deaths AND our economy was ruined. People would be rioting in the street and would march to Manhattan and raise every bank building there. Politicians would literally have to hide from the populace.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:27 pm to FairhopeTider
Word around the military campfire for Maxwell-Gunter is they expect us to be back to work by May 15th.
That could obviously change, but that's the rumbling right now.
That could obviously change, but that's the rumbling right now.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:47 pm to TideSaint
Simian, that's part of the problem: we are only testing the symptomatic and in some places (like here), it's STILL hard as hell to get tested even if you have symptoms if you don't meet the "CDC guidelines." Yeah, I want everybody who wants a fricking test to get a fricking test and some who don't want it. If we are to open back up and get things rolling again, we need to know who's had it, who has it, and who doesn't and differentiate accordingly.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:52 pm to TideSaint
I really like the idea I read over the weekend of shifting our focus to testing healthy people, especially when businesses start opening back up. Anyone showing symptoms is treated like they have it and instructed to quarantine themselves for 14 days. If symptoms worsen, they can then be tested and receive necessary treatment. Then businesses require employees to provide a negative test before they can return to the workplace. That method would capture a lot of the asymptomatic people and isolates them.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:09 pm to TideSaint
quote:That makes sense to me.
Well tell me if this makes sense:
After being out of school for 3 weeks my kids' teachers were unavailable on Friday due to a "planned" Weather Day.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:19 pm to pvilleguru
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Health officials in some states are saying the use of face masks could be part of everyday life in public for quite some time.
Ohio Department of Health Director Amy Acton said Ohioans need to be prepared for a year of wearing masks and the possibility of a future surge in COVID-19 cases.
Florida’s surgeon general also said people may be practicing social distancing and wearing masks for the next year.
These masks are now being viewed as another weapon to get back to normalcy," Acton said. "This is like another layer of Swiss cheese. We are going to be looking at a year of using these in new ways. This is something we are all going to get used to."
“Until we get a vaccine, which is a while off, this is going to be our new normal and we need to adapt and protect ourselves.”
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:21 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:21 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:04 pm to phil4bama
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Simian, that's part of the problem: we are only testing the symptomatic and in some places (like here), it's STILL hard as hell to get tested even if you have symptoms if you don't meet the "CDC guidelines." Yeah, I want everybody who wants a fricking test to get a fricking test and some who don't want it. If we are to open back up and get things rolling again, we need to know who's had it, who has it, and who doesn't and differentiate accordingly.
We need widespread antibody tests. The disease test isn't going to do you that much good. Are you seriously going to test asymptomatic people who haven't had the disease every single day so they can go to work until one comes back positive? Because that's the only way what you're suggesting could make a difference. If it's true that as many as 80% of cases are asymptomatic, then the death rate from this among healthy working age people isn't much higher than the flu.
Not to mention that, even if we had the capacity to produce a million tests a day, it would take a full year to have enough to test every person just once. Also, Quest Diagnostcs, which performs 40% of COVID testing can only do 45k per day. Oh, and they just furloughed 4,000 employees and are planning on furloughing more, because so few other tests are being performed. As of about a week ago, they've got a backlog of 115k tests to process.
Also, where do you live that it's so hard to get a test? You just have to show certain symptoms. Hell, I know a lady who is about to go for her third one, because she is sick with similar symptoms and doesn't believe the negative results from the first two.
ETA - Nevermind on the location. I missed the PCB. I just can't believe it would be that hard to get a test in the panhandle.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:29 pm to Evolved Simian
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We need widespread antibody tests.
Absolutely.
I feel pretty confident I've encountered this virus at some point in the last 6 months.
- Was in South Korea the first 2 weeks of November.
- Flew through Seattle twice at the end of November.
- Flew in and out of Atlanta in January.
- Wife gets sick in February. Negative flu and strep tests.
- Lady in my office dies in late February from symptoms just like the virus, but before testing began.
- First confirmed case in the state poops in the same toilet I do at work.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 2:32 pm to TideSaint
These stimulus payments are going to be much better than I thought!
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The first federal stimulus payments are on their way to Americans, and a northwest Indiana man got quite the shock when he went to the ATM this past weekend
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