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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:40 am to phil4bama
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:40 am to phil4bama
According to that popular model the US hit the peak of resources needed 3 days ago. We're about to hit the death peak in a day I think.
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:48 am to 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:51 am to wm72
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military spending in Alabama, just for example, is probably the main reason behind most places where the economy is "booming" and in place like Pensacola, the main reason there's much of an economy at all.
I would guess most areas where much of the economy is based on farming takes a lot more tax money than they are able to pay as well too.
Not sure what your point is here. Military spending is necessary for all nations and does not benefit one state more than another. Where that spending occurs is pretty irrelevant to me. It will benefit literally any area where it occurs. A more relevant discussion would be total federal spending by state.
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California pays nearly double that of even second place NY.
California also receives more federal funding than any other state. I use this image because I have it available, but I'm sure it hasn't changed much since 2012-2013. It's from the state of California's Legislative Analyst's Office and is linked directly to their website. Your list of federal tax revenue almost totally matches federal tax spending by state.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:05 pm to imjustafatkid
For the graph you posted, it would mean that California pays over $100 billion more than it receives since they paid around $456 billion that year.
Alabama paid around $25 billion and received $56 billion.
That's kind of the point I was making.
Also, to say that military spending or farm subsidies may benefit everyone has nothing to do with how much they prop up the local economies into which those dollars flow.
But anyway, no reason to keep this up in this thread. I just thought the red states = real America and blue coastal states = less necessary elites was a little short sighted especially given the degree to which the red states seem to love unburdening corporations to take even more of their profits to the coasts.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:20 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Mercedes-Benz has decided to extend the temporary halt of production at the Mercedes-Benz Tuscaloosa plant by an additional week.
“The company has taken into consideration the recommendations of international, national and local authorities, and ultimately decided that it is in the best interests of our employees’ safety and well being to extend the halt,” the company said.
The temporary halt began on March 23 and will now resume operations on Monday, April 20.
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:53 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:00 pm to wm72
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Alabama paid around $25 billion and received $56 billion.
Ah! But this is due to Medicare and Medicaid funding, not military spending. Alabama is forced to spend this money.
The reality is that California is far more dependent on the federal government than Alabama is.
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Also, to say that military spending or farm subsidies may benefit everyone has nothing to do with how much they prop up the local economies into which those dollars flow.
Of course not, but those funds would be spent no matter where they are.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:22 pm to imjustafatkid
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The reality is that California is far more dependent on the federal government than Alabama is.
I'm no economist but saying California sends $456 billion and only gets back $350 billion makes them more "dependent" must be some financial wizardry that's beyond my comprehension.
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Ah! But this is due to Medicare and Medicaid funding, not military spending. Alabama is forced to spend this money.
Only in Virginia and Hawaii does DOD spending result in a higher percentage of state GDP than Alabama (which takes around 15 billion dollars).
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Of course not, but those funds would be spent no matter where they are.
Yes, they could be going to military contracts in Bakersfield and Arcata Ca instead of Huntsville or Mobile which would balance out the amount of federal taxes paid vs those received back in economic boons.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:05 pm to paperwasp
IMO, there's a good chance that mbusi won't start back on the 20th either.
So many suppliers for Mercedes from all around the world are still idled
So many suppliers for Mercedes from all around the world are still idled
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:20 pm to wm72
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I'm no economist but saying California sends $456 billion and only gets back $350 billion makes them more "dependent" must be some financial wizardry that's beyond my comprehension.
I'm not sure where you got your $350B number from, but it's definitely low.
Regardless, what you don't seem to understand is that California would continue fulling funding programs like Medicare and Medicaid even if the federal government stopped funding those programs and stopped requiring states to fund them. States like Alabama would certainly not maintain that same level of spending if they were no longer force to do so. You can dream all you want that this makes Alabama more dependent on the federal government, but the reality is this would result in more people moving to California. No matter what you think their federal revenue-to-expenditures looks like now, it would quickly balloon to being totally out of control. Nevermind the fact that they would have to pass huge tax increases in order to simply mirror the level of federal funding currently in use in that state, they would also have to meet the added demand from maintaining the social programs they believe are necessary.
It's really not that difficult to see how California is dependent on the federal government if you spend a few minutes thinking about it. The very fact that the federal government forces other states to fund ridiculous social programs that California would attempt to fund on their own is the only reason California is barely hanging on to solvency.
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Only in Virginia and Hawaii does DOD spending result in a higher percentage of state GDP than Alabama (which takes around 15 billion dollars).
This does not change or address my statement. Medicare and Medicaid funding is why Alabama receives more from the federal government than it pays. If you add in the free lunch program, it becomes obvious that Alabama is only "dependent" on the federal government because the federal government is forcing Alabama to pay for things it wouldn't otherwise fund. If these items were no longer required to be fully funded, Alabama would not fully fund them and would have no dependence on the federal government. Maybe that would look like less funding, maybe that would look like no funding, but the fact remains that Alabama would easily be sending more than it's receiving without these programs. You can't force a state to receive money from you that you force them to use for specific items, and then pretend that state is the problem.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:25 pm to imjustafatkid
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I'm not sure where you got your $350B number from,
it's from the graph you posted
Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:24 pm to imjustafatkid
Good grief. You're comparing a what-if scenario that will likely never happen to actual dollar figures.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:41 pm to East Coast Band
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IMO, there's a good chance that mbusi won't start back on the 20th either.
So many suppliers for Mercedes from all around the world are still idled
Good point.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:49 pm to paperwasp
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One of the largest pork processing plants in US closes due to coronavirus
The Smithfield plant, which employs about 3,700 people in South Dakota's largest city, has become a hot spot for infections.
The announcement came a day after South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem and Sioux Falls Mayor Paul TenHaken wrote to Smithfield and urged the company to suspend operations for 14 days so that its workers could self-isolate and the plant could be disinfected.
The plant, which employs about 3,700 people in the state's largest city, has become a hot spot for infections. Health officials said Sunday that 293 of the 730 people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in South Dakota work at the plant.
The Sioux Falls facility is one of the largest pork processing plants in the U.S., Smithfield said. It supplies nearly 130 million servings of food per week, or about 18 million servings per day.
There has been no evidence that the coronavirus is being transmitted through food or its packaging, according to the Department of Agriculture.
Other meat processing plants have also closed temporarily because of outbreaks of the coronavirus, including a Tyson Foods facility in Columbus Junction, Iowa, where more than two dozen employees tested positive.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:59 pm to paperwasp
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During the Great Recession, it took 44 weeks — roughly 10 months — for unemployment claims to go as high as they now have in less than a month.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:44 pm to imjustafatkid
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It's really not that difficult to see how California is dependent on the federal government if you spend a few minutes thinking about it. The very fact that the federal government forces other states to fund ridiculous social programs that California would attempt to fund on their own is the only reason California is barely hanging on to solvency.
Provide links for this assumption. CA is not a donor state by any means.
Article published on March 8th 2020 shows CA receives 50% of their Medicaid funding from the federal government. CA had almost 12 million people enrolled for 2019.
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:46 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:56 pm to Cobrasize
Germany and the U.S. also have the most per capita ICU beds in the world by a pretty wide margin, so the fact that we are ahead of the rest of the world in keeping our patients alive isn't surprising.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:01 pm to TideWarrior
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CA
Speaking of California in getting back to the coronavirus topic.
Their death rate (per total population) during this has been remarkably low.
For an area that ranked extremely high on every metric that increased spread and death rate:
Densely populated cities with large "at-risk" numbers like SF, Oakland, LA ect
Expansive tourist/business travel
Tons of travel from China when this was spreading
They've had better success than almost anywhere in the world in keeping all their important numbers remarkably low.
Not sure what all they did differently but it was obviously effective.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:27 pm to wm72
I see we crossed 100 reported dates recently
Still 62 confirmed deaths
While the US projection went up by 7K deaths, Alabama’s went from 430 to 330
Connecticut’s numbers are not good. 5M fewer people and not quite as densely populated compared to NJ, yet 1K more expected deaths
Still 62 confirmed deaths
While the US projection went up by 7K deaths, Alabama’s went from 430 to 330
Connecticut’s numbers are not good. 5M fewer people and not quite as densely populated compared to NJ, yet 1K more expected deaths
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 6:33 pm
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