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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:18 pm to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:18 pm to 1BamaRTR
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the Covid tracker stopped at 999, 1999, and now it's at 2999
It did. The 999 one stayed for a night, the 1999 one didn't stay long, maybe a few hours.
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:18 pm to TideWarrior
And for the record many of the coastal counties are also forcing people to leave that live in other parts of NC and are not a permanent residence of the county.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 6:22 pm to TideWarrior
I have a better idea for Huckabee and those folks complaining in NC. If they are not permanent residents of said homes (I must confess I believe Huckabee spends more time in his than anywhere else) allow them to occupy the said properties as long as they understand that if they choose to do so, they are not allowed to leave the premises unless they are leaving completely until the crisis is over. They should not be allowed to shelter and be a burden on the local system if they do not reside there permanently.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:06 pm to TideWarrior
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What injury?
Butthurt?
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:31 pm to TidalSurge1
Numbers for AL as of the end of today (Friday):
3,008 Total Cases
+170 Cases Today
368 Hospitalizations
12.23% Hospitalized
58 Deaths Confirmed
80 Deaths Reported
3,008 Total Cases
+170 Cases Today
368 Hospitalizations
12.23% Hospitalized
58 Deaths Confirmed
80 Deaths Reported
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 7:38 pm to TideWarrior
We can agree to disagree and see how it all shakes out in court. 
I went and read Huckabee's complaint. He makes one interesting argument. If the part of the beach up to mean high tide is private property, then what the state is doing is effectively telling him he can't go out into his back yard. What's the compelling reason that makes a back yard of sand different than one across the street that is made out of grass?
Where he seems to go off the rails to me is when he says the state is depriving him of access to his little part of the gulf - which if the part from mean high tide outward is public then that is in no way his property and thus he's not being treated any differently than anyone else that's been temporarily denied access to a public resource.
So, the court may well say sure, you can go out in your sandy back yard but dip a toe in the water and you're breaking the law. Congrats.
I went and read Huckabee's complaint. He makes one interesting argument. If the part of the beach up to mean high tide is private property, then what the state is doing is effectively telling him he can't go out into his back yard. What's the compelling reason that makes a back yard of sand different than one across the street that is made out of grass?
Where he seems to go off the rails to me is when he says the state is depriving him of access to his little part of the gulf - which if the part from mean high tide outward is public then that is in no way his property and thus he's not being treated any differently than anyone else that's been temporarily denied access to a public resource.
So, the court may well say sure, you can go out in your sandy back yard but dip a toe in the water and you're breaking the law. Congrats.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:34 pm to JustGetItRight
Huckabee sounds like the public service first type you'd expect from a politician.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:36 pm to TideWarrior
I think I saw today Walton County is allowing an emergency hearing for the private beach owners.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 7:48 am to CrimsonBoz
CDC: U.S. Coronavirus Cases Doubled in 1 Week (U.S. News) The surge was driven heavily by increasing cases in New York City and states like Louisiana, Michigan, Massachusetts and New Jersey.
Coronavirus live updates: Fauci warns it is too early to ease restrictions as U.S. death toll tops 18k (NBC News)
Coronavirus live updates: Fauci warns it is too early to ease restrictions as U.S. death toll tops 18k (NBC News)
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/11/20 at 10:59 am to TidalSurge1
CONFIRMED CASES
3,032
TOTAL TESTED
20,605
REPORTED DEATHS
81
DIED FROM ILLNESS
59
3,032
TOTAL TESTED
20,605
REPORTED DEATHS
81
DIED FROM ILLNESS
59
Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:27 am to CrimsonBoz
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I think I saw today Walton County is allowing an emergency hearing for the private beach owners.
It isn't the county allowing a hearing. The federal judge granted the plaintiffs' motion for an emergency hearing on their request for a preliminary injunction. In plain terms, he bought their argument that the issue was too time sensitive to wait on the regular schedule. Can't really read anything into how the case will play out, but in football terms those suing the county just scored on their opening possession.
Story on the original suit
VERY short story on the hearing being granted
This is actually a pretty important case to Alabama because our beaches are closed too. Should the plaintiffs win, it will give Alabama condo and beach house owners a precedent to cite should they decide to file a similar suit.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:16 pm to JustGetItRight
I'm getting really sick of this shite. Daughter's senior prom is gone, graduation is hanging by a thread and someone is sawing on it, and yesterday, we find out all the June Bama Bound sessions will be virtual. They haven't made a call yet on July and August sessions, so we postponed until July, but how can you let some kids go, and make some kids do virtual? I'm not hopeful. Not sure she's going to be able to rush or report for classes.
My wife and I have always been staunch opponents of a gap year just to take a year off to go backpacking across Europe. I'm learning to never say never. I threw the option of a gap semester or even a gap year out for discussion this morning. Daughter is devastated and knee jerk reaction was no. I asked her to think it over. Not sure how this would affect her Presidential scholarship so we would have to find that out and factor it in.
I'm tired of taking away the milestones and memories for my kids. FIND A frickING CURE!
My wife and I have always been staunch opponents of a gap year just to take a year off to go backpacking across Europe. I'm learning to never say never. I threw the option of a gap semester or even a gap year out for discussion this morning. Daughter is devastated and knee jerk reaction was no. I asked her to think it over. Not sure how this would affect her Presidential scholarship so we would have to find that out and factor it in.
I'm tired of taking away the milestones and memories for my kids. FIND A frickING CURE!
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:24 pm to JustGetItRight
So reading the language it's pretty obvious they don't really give a shite about the temporary beach closures and want to use this as leverage in the other case that will have a more permanent effect.
This language in their complaint really stands out.
This language in their complaint really stands out.
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The chances of a family or landowner catching or spreading COVID-19 is far less in his or her own private backyard (where no one else should be less they be trespassing)
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:34 pm to Robot Santa
You know, I get it, not wanting someone coming up and knocking on your back door. But if someone is walking 6 feet across the "mean high tide line" on your property minding their own business, just walking along the beach, get the frick over yourself. If you can't live with that, don't buy on the beach.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:39 pm to phil4bama
I think the bigger issue, and I saw this all the time when we still went to 30A, is people using public beach access points, then spreading down and setting up camp in front of private homes and condos. That would annoy me as a property owner, though I doubt it’d annoy me to the point of suing. Can’t imagine people walking down the beach bothers many property owners.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 12:56 pm to The Spleen
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That would annoy me as a property owner, though I doubt it’d annoy me to the point of suing. Can’t imagine people walking down the beach bothers many property owners.
You might be surprised. Alabama's law is just like Florida's. Mean high tide line seaward is public. The other direction is private. There are quite a few condos in Gulf Shores/Orange Beach that will call the cops on you if you either access the water by walking between buildings that aren't designated as public access or cross over onto their sand.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:00 pm to The Spleen
It's just unsustainable though. The restrictions on high density new construction + limited public beaches is going to essentially kill the area if you end up in a situation where 90% of the beach is owned by 2% of the property owners. It's not like PCB or Destin where half of what is on the beach are high density midrises and highrises. Where each unit gets like 50-100 square feet of beach. On 30A damn near everything beachfront is a house or a 5-15 unit condo, where each unit gets hundreds if not thousands of square feet of beach.
It worked when 90% of the individual units were on or across the street from the beach, but that is no longer the case. They're building huge developments down there a mile from the beach now.
It worked when 90% of the individual units were on or across the street from the beach, but that is no longer the case. They're building huge developments down there a mile from the beach now.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:31 pm to Robot Santa
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ABC 33/40 News
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Governor Kay Ivey releases a statement about severe weather forecasted Sunday amid the #COVID19 pandemic, reminding Alabamians that taking shelter from storms should be their 1st priority.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:40 pm to The Spleen
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I think the bigger issue, and I saw this all the time when we still went to 30A, is people using public beach access points, then spreading down and setting up camp in front of private homes and condos. That would annoy me as a property owner, though I doubt it’d annoy me to the point of suing. Can’t imagine people walking down the beach bothers many property owners.
The problem is that the beach is public property up to that line and now that line continues to move towards the property with beach erosion.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:44 pm to TideWarrior
Is this still a corona virus thread or is now a beach property thread?
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