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re: Off-Topic: Governor’s Race

Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22293 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:08 pm to
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MeeMaw decided to follow from behind like she always does


She’s literally a former Democrat who only switched parties because she couldn’t win a statewide race. Of course she’s going to lead from behind on conservative issues. She’s going to do anything her advisors tell her to do when they shuffle her out for a press conference.

But if the election were held today….she’d win without a runoff. It’s like we’re all taking crazy pills.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82886 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:13 pm to
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what doesn't even include all of those that don't vote because they know the state is going red across the board regardless.


If you can't be motivated to vote, then you can't bitch about the people in office.

Take the state of Georgia for example. Everyone assumed they would vote red in the 2020 election and they flipped two Senate seats by turning out at the polls.

Alabama had 3.5 million registered voters in 2019

2.32 million Alabama residents voted in the 2020 Presidential election

Trump got 1,441,170 votes and Biden got 849,624. Almost 900,000 registered voters in the state of Alabama declined to do so. Plenty of votes out there to potentially change the outcome of that election.

ETA: The 2020 Senate race between Tuberville and Jones was even closer

Tuberville got 1,392,076 votes and Jones got 920,478.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11248 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:13 pm to
hot take: american conservatism is really just frick you got mine liberalism anyway.

conservatism in a real since is actually more community based and arguably "communal" than whatever you're talking about. the philosophical underpinnings of individual rights - the fact that mask mandates were such a beyond the pail imposition of your liberty - is rooted in a heresy: that you are a god...rather every man is a king.

i prefer the conservatism where community and a deep connection to the land and one another still existed...not this bastardized liberalism that is just selfish hedonism masked as ideology.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:14 pm to
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But if the election were held today….she’d win without a runoff. It’s like we’re all taking crazy pills.


You are absolutely correct here. I am in shock when I talk to people who still support her as governor. It really makes no sense.

I won't be voting for her in the primary, and I'm just hoping the polls are wrong.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:15 pm to
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conservatism in a real since is actually more community based and arguably "communal" than whatever you're talking about. the philosophical underpinnings of individual rights - the fact that mask mandates were such a beyond the pail imposition of your liberty - is rooted in a heresy: that you are a god...rather every man is a king.


Man, you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Not even worth discussing this with someone with such a clear misunderstanding of what conservatism is.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:19 pm to
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We already got one useless-arse senator who is just there to rehash conservative media grievance talking points...don't need another.


Actually he’s just there to use info gathered to improve his stock portfolio.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82886 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:22 pm to
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Actually he’s just there to use info gathered to improve his stock portfolio.



Where have I heard this before?

This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11248 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:25 pm to
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Man, you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Not even worth discussing this with someone with such a clear misunderstanding of what conservatism is.



I think the same of you, buddy. You're just some dumb hog slurping up the slop on television.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4326 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:26 pm to
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If you can't be motivated to vote, then you can't bitch about the people in office.


Absolutely. I was more just acknowledging the potential for growth (as you just did with much more detail) in an effort to show how absolutely dumb it is for the democratic party to abandon the state.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:31 pm to
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Then let's debate your plan to hold these candidates accountable.


My plan is I generally don’t vote for vacuous, pandering assholes, and I call their campaign out when they’re being those things.

I say generally because my hand is being forced to vote for Britt in the R primary to keep that raging lunatic Brooks out of the Senate.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:39 pm to
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I think the same of you, buddy. You're just some dumb hog slurping up the slop on television.


I'm fine with someone who thinks conservativism isn't about preserving individual rights thinking whatever they want about me.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:41 pm to
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My plan is I generally don’t vote for vacuous, pandering assholes, and I call their campaign out when they’re being those things.


Didn't you vote for Walt Maddox and Dud Jones?

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I say generally because my hand is being forced to vote for Britt in the R primary to keep that raging lunatic Brooks out of the Senate.


Oh I see. You voted for Roy Moore in the R primary too. Got it. We all knew there were D crossovers in the R primaries in Alabama, but it's nice to see one openly admit it.

Mo Brooks is by far the best candidate in the Senate race and we would be foolish to send anyone else.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82886 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:43 pm to
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Absolutely. I was more just acknowledging the potential for growth (as you just did with much more detail) in an effort to show how absolutely dumb it is for the democratic party to abandon the state.


It's a shitty argument and it applies to a lot of other aspects in life.

On paper we should have annihilated Texas A&M last season. They were in a downward spiral and had zero reason to feel confident that Saturday night.

What happened? They came to play and whipped our asses up and down the field. They didn't quit before the game even started.

Damnit.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:46 pm to
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Tuberville got 1,392,076 votes and Jones got 920,478.


Tuberville has been doing a great job so far. If that continues, I doubt he has any serious opposition when he comes up for reelection.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:47 pm to
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You voted for Roy Moore in the R primary too


Nope. Last R primary I voted in was 2016 when I voted for Kasich.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:54 pm to
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Nope. Last R primary I voted in was 2016 when I voted for Kasich.


The media candidate.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4326 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:01 pm to
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On paper we should have annihilated Texas A&M last season. They were in a downward spiral and had zero reason to feel confident that Saturday night.

What happened? They came to play and whipped our asses up and down the field. They didn't quit before the game even started.


Exactly. And that win 100% contributed (along with NIL money obviously) to their recruiting class and now they have the tools to change the landscape of the SEC in just a few years (not saying that they will, just that they have the players).

All it takes a few surprising big wins and you can put yourself in a place to be competitive.






Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62358 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:03 pm to
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All it takes a few surprising big wins and you can put yourself in a place to be competitive.


Doug Jones was a surprising big win. If the Dems in Alabama couldn't make a run off of that, I'm not sure when they'll have another opportunity. Especially if an actual conservative takes this Senate seat. That person could sit in that seat for the rest of his/her life.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:15 pm to
It was a razor thin win fueled by so many R voters staying home instead of voting for Roy Moore. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was a fluke, and Dems did try to capitalize on that win by sinking a lot of money into Maddox’s gubernatorial bid.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4326 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:15 pm to
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Doug Jones was a surprising big win


He definitely was. I disagree that he sets the ceiling though. If anything, his election shows the potential to develop a somewhat competitive Alabama.
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