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Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:25 pm to stomp
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:25 pm to stomp
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Alabama conservatives were just fine milking the federal teet under FDR. What changed?
The answer is nothing has changed. Alabama was completely under the thumb of the Democratic Party when FDR was in office, and in fact this state went for FDR in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944. Alabama did not become a solid Republican state until after Jimmy Carter showed the world how awful Democrats actually are. We voted with the entire nation to replace him with Ronald Reagan in 1980, and have been voting Republican in presidential elections ever since.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:27 pm to coachcrisp
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The KING OF "GENERALIZATIONS"
is trying to lecture anybody about viewing people on ONE particular issue!
Your posts are so politically agendized that they "move" all over the board. That technique is one of the most disgusting qualities of modern politicians...
Biden's people have made it a "science", a it looks like you were an excellent student.
At this point I think you're just trolling. You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:32 pm to In Hsv
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That funding has provided:
Highest per capita income
Highest education level
Most PHD 's per capita
Most desirable place to live instate
Fastest growing metro area
"Most desirable place to live in state" is absolutely subjective, and not at all my experience.
The rest of those metrics don't mean anything. It's great that the Huntsville area is growing, but the state wasn't hurting without a growing Huntsville area.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:35 pm to coachcrisp
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bullshite!
How can you not realized the ongoing benefits to the people of the cities, counties, and the state?
You say you're a CPA and you can't appreciate the economic benefits to the people?...I find that impossible to believe!
Any benefits are short-term, at best. An ever-expanding federal government is a poison pill. Were you born after March 2020 and just don't know any better? Maybe you never had to purchase health insurance before Obamacare and thus don't realize how badly that screwed up healthcare in our country? Not old enough to remember our nation before the Patriot Act turned it into a surveillance state with secret FISA courts with little-to-no oversight?
It's really hard to imagine being as naive as you are about this.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:36 pm to stomp
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Alabama conservatives were just fine milking the federal teet under FDR. What changed?
75 years.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:37 pm to imjustafatkid
Imjustafatkid, he is the one that makes decision related to basketball sports... so he is likely the one who made a decision over oakwood.... and if you look at the rest of the staff.... it's obvious...
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:38 pm to TideSaint
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75 years.
FDR died in 1945, so it's really 77 years. Most people born the year he DIED aren't even alive at this point, and I'd wager there aren't many alive who remember his presidency at all.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:39 pm to Panthers4life
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Imjustafatkid, he is the one that makes decision related to basketball sports... so he is likely the one who made a decision over oakwood.... and if you look at the rest of the staff.... it's obvious...
What is? I really don't understand what you're getting at here.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:42 pm to imjustafatkid
You are very close minded. If some measurement tool doesn't fit your narrative it is unimportant! I can see you consider yourself a Libertarian and that is ok, but only about 2% of the populous agree with your position.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:44 pm to stomp
The federal funding debate is rather moot unless you assume the 49 other states also stop relying on the federal pocketbook. If Alabama stopped getting federal dollars while the other 49 continued, the state would be a wasteland in pretty short order.
There absolutely is a ton of waste in federal spending, but when cuts are proposed the NIMBY attitude takes over and little meaningful cuts are actually made. Might as well have a Senator working to secure that money for your state, because if you don’t, plenty of other states will.
There absolutely is a ton of waste in federal spending, but when cuts are proposed the NIMBY attitude takes over and little meaningful cuts are actually made. Might as well have a Senator working to secure that money for your state, because if you don’t, plenty of other states will.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:46 pm to imjustafatkid
Alabama legislature didn't go GOP until 2000. I still remember having a Dem governor and not blinking. Politics have become much more polarized due to gerrymandering among other factors.
Also, voters are habitual and tend to stick with parties even though it's not in their best interests. Kentucky and West Virginia were the main holdouts for Democrats until Obama. The south in general started to give GOP a look under Eisenhower, Texas being an interesting case: A Republican elected leader was calling LBJ a commie on the eve of JFK getting assassinated.
I think as the south started to industrialize and develop, GOP became a much more viable option as they were viewed as the pro-business party. There's a great book on this but I forget the name.
Also, voters are habitual and tend to stick with parties even though it's not in their best interests. Kentucky and West Virginia were the main holdouts for Democrats until Obama. The south in general started to give GOP a look under Eisenhower, Texas being an interesting case: A Republican elected leader was calling LBJ a commie on the eve of JFK getting assassinated.
I think as the south started to industrialize and develop, GOP became a much more viable option as they were viewed as the pro-business party. There's a great book on this but I forget the name.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:47 pm to The Spleen
I fear we won't see meaningful change until after we hit the next economic crisis. At that point, the country may break up.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:48 pm to In Hsv
Libertarians/Classical Liberals have much greater support. The two-party system, along with the LP itself, doesn't reflect that.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:50 pm to In Hsv
So what happens when the gravy train stops?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:04 pm to RollTide4Ever
As many have stated as long as there is a Federal government it will not go away. Funding will change from defense spending to social programs depending which party is in power. We all would like a smaller Federal government, but we have what we have. Neither Republicans or Democrats will reduce the size of the Fed.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:10 pm to In Hsv
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Funding will change from defense spending to social programs depending which party is in power.
Over a quarter of the annual defense budget goes to personnel, veterans and retirees. For the 2019 fiscal year budget that equated to 268.5 billion dollars.
Modern medicine is keeping a lot of these people living longer therefore extending their benefits packages.
The military tried to mitigate this by changing its retirement system back in 2016, but we won't see the fallout from that until at least 2036.
We aren't just spending billions and billions of dollars on space rays, nuclear weapons and tanks.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:16 pm to TideSaint
Very true. I am just saying Federal funding comes from both sides of the isle and is not going away. It shows up in many forms and directly or indirectly affects everyone of us.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:21 pm to The Spleen
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The federal funding debate is rather moot unless you assume the 49 other states also stop relying on the federal pocketbook. If Alabama stopped getting federal dollars while the other 49 continued, the state would be a wasteland in pretty short order.
This is true of course, but the entire conversation comes from the idea that we NEED federal funding and should elect people who seek it out. I completely reject that premise.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:21 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I think as the south started to industrialize and develop, GOP became a much more viable option as they were viewed as the pro-business party.
Conservatives today want to deny it, but the shift in southern party affiliation started in the late 60’s after the Civil Rights Act was passed. It took a while for that shift to trickle down to the state level, but from 68 through today, the Republican nominee for president won most years in most southern states. One of Nixon’s campaign strategists is on record about the Southern Strategy, so it’s not some conspiracy democrats made up.
It’s not the sole reason for the shift, but it’s a dynamic that can’t be ignored when talking about it.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:22 pm to The Spleen
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It’s not the sole reason for the shift, but it’s a dynamic that can’t be ignored when talking about it.
There was, in fact, never any shift. The parties have not changed what they stand for. FDR was a big government progressive and so are today's Democrats.
Also, if race was the predominant factor, Alabama would still be voting for big government Democrats. Their policies have obviously harmed black people for decades and are keeping them subservient to the government and in the "poorhouse" based on the metrics that never take government funding into account. It's a pretty decent analogy of why we should not rely on federal funding.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 1:27 pm
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