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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey

Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:28 am to
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46016 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:28 am to
OK so you have a problem with racial discrimination, but discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is all good. I'm sure you think gay people choose to be gay and aren't born that way.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62396 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:28 am to
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Well, blame our racist ancestors for that. Government started sanctioning marriages to prevent whites and blacks from marrying.


Ok sure. Maybe that was the case. Doesn't change that this was a bad solution.

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Maybe, but so many other laws are tied up in the recognition of marriage, and I'm not sure we were really ready to unpack all of that. Contract law, estate laws, custodial laws, tax laws, etc.


Contract law would not have been affected by simply making marriage contracts civil contracts.

The marriage penalty related to tax laws needs to be fixed regardless, and estate taxes simply don't need to exist. Estate & custody issues would be covered by simply grandfathering existing marriage contracts. Really not nearly as difficult as you are making it out to be.

Also, your statement assumes the gay marriage ruling did not create other issues that will need to be addressed.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62396 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:29 am to
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I'm sure you think gay people choose to be gay and aren't born that way.


There is no evidence otherwise. I don't have to "think" about it.

ETA: At best it is a mental defect. Nothing more. They stopped looking into that as we started to get more and more knowledgeable about genetics. The last thing the gay lobby wants is to identify a gay gene so people can start fixing the defects before they're born. Blows a hole in the "no one would choose this" argument.
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 9:32 am
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:32 am to
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No, marriage choices actually aren't like the color of your skin at all.

As long as it's between consenting adults, there's no difference.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62396 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:32 am to
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This isn't persecuting Christians. This has nothing to do with Christians.


It is impossible to think this and claim to be up to date on current events.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:33 am to
Oh, so your whole issue is basically just the co-opting of the word "marriage." In a legal sense, a marriage is simply a civil contract, so what's the big deal? Do you have a problem with avowed atheists getting married and calling it a marriage? What about Buddhists?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62396 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:34 am to
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As long as it's between consenting adults, there's no difference.


These kinds of statements are why Trump is polling over 35% with blacks. Who you choose to sleep with is not the same as being born white, black, yellow, blue, purple, man, woman, etc.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62396 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:36 am to
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Oh, so your whole issue is basically just the co-opting of the word "marriage." In a legal sense, a marriage is simply a civil contract, so what's the big deal? Do you have a problem with avowed atheists getting married and calling it a marriage? What about Buddhists?


Not necessarily. I do have a problem was with the predictable inevitability that this would result in people claiming Christians must accept gay marriage. That was called a "slippery slope" argument before the ruling. Now that this has come to pass, it's hard to imagine someone making a separate claim.

However, that is not my only issue with the government as it relates to marriage, as I clearly stated.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:41 am to
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OK so you have a problem with racial discrimination, but discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is all good. I'm sure you think gay people choose to be gay and aren't born that way.



What kind of virtue signaling shite is this?

I don't care about your gay sex anymore than I care about my heterosexual neighbors having sex. Why do you gay knights think people care about your sex. Keep it to yourself and have a nice day. Get graphic and public with it and invite third party opinions that you probably won't like.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:44 am to
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These kinds of statements are why Trump is polling over 35% with blacks

Well, homophobia in the southern black population isn't really a secret.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:47 am to
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I don't care about your gay sex anymore than I care about my heterosexual neighbors having sex.



Nobody has said anything about sexual activity.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:50 am to
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Nobody has said anything about sexual activity.



Same thing Doofus. I don't care that my neighbors are man and woman or man and man. But start broadcasting like it means something because you're gay and you're inviting opinion.

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The Spleen
Try not to be so obtuse.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:53 am to
Good for you. Not sure why you felt the need to bring up what consenting adults do behind closed doors when nobody in this discussion has talked about that. But good luck with your insecurities.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46016 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:58 am to
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What kind of virtue signaling shite is this?

I don't care about your gay sex anymore than I care about my heterosexual neighbors having sex. Why do you gay knights think people care about your sex. Keep it to yourself and have a nice day. Get graphic and public with it and invite third party opinions that you probably won't like.


What? I'm not gay buddy. I just don't think they choose to be the way they are, nor do I have an issue with them being the way they are. It's actually possible to be heterosexual and not hate the gays. Crazy I know.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:05 am to
Because you clowns always want to virtue signal about gay marriage. Who gives a shite?

I certainly don't and I've yet to meet anyone outside the anonymity of a message board that does.

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The Spleen

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But good luck with your insecurities.

Keep riding that pony, Hero.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4326 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:11 am to
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You will not find a conservative who is against laws that protect the rights of others.


I think you are confused, as I never suggested anything that disagreed with that. Laws are the foundation of the social contract, which we all support.

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Easy. It is a ruling that requires everyone to accept gay marriage. You can see the authoritarianism in the rulings against Christians who do not want to participate in celebrations of actions they've deemed sinful.


So first, the definition of authoritarianism is
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Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime.
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The government not banning, or with not withholding bans, on things that you don't like is not authoritarian. If anything, a ban on marriage is limiting the personal freedoms of gays. No one is forcing you to marry a dude, and you are free to maintain your personal beliefs on homosexuality. The government enforcing those beliefs on a significant chunk of our population that are not christian is much more authoritarian than allowing gay individuals the freedom to marry. Additionally, marriage as a religious institution is untouched by the ruling. It only applies to the legal definition, and the rest is up to the churches themselves.

You can't just say that any law you don't like is authoritarian because it makes you "do something you don't want to do" (which the gay marriage ruling does not. Literally changes your life in zero ways, assuming that you are not gay).


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Going a long way to redefine socialism here. You don't think forcing a purchase is a way to control the means of production?


No. That is the actual definition of concept. You would really benifit from spending some time studying these things that you so passionately hate.

Forcing a purchase is no more "controlling the means of production" than any other regulations on businesses. Do you think that making it illegal for toy companies to use lead paint is socialism? What about forcing people to buy car insurance? If anything, the ACA is an example of corporatism (thought it doesn't completely fit that definition.

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Forcing purchase IS controlling exchange


So SEC regulations and taxes are socialist?

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They have been unsuccessful because of Republicans, not because of a lack of effort.


Then why haven't they nominated a single prominent progressive?


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Oh come on. This is clearly false. Not even worth debating.


Name one significant politician calling for open borders.

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Compromise to Democrats means doing everything they want. I'm done wirh their type of compromise.


All the evidence shows the contrary. You just feel that way so you try to make it right in your head. Obama was a great example of this. His appeal to compromise and belief in the system was his biggest fault. The ACA is a great example. He wanted health care reform. Instead of using his bully pulpit and fighting for a progressive plan, he took a republican-created plan, and offered it up. When it met insane challenge, he conceded on the public option (a key part in the system working). Hell, even when offered a pick for Scalia's spot, he picked a very-moderate judge. All the while, Republicans in congress explicitly stated that their job was not to represent their constituents, or operate a functional government, but to oppose Obama in every way they could, which is fricked. In the same vain, Pelosi said that her job was to 'elect more democrats", which is also fricked. Both parties do it, but we need to recognize that it is partisan pandering bullshite that prevents our government from operating appropriately or effectively.
But this idea that democrats refuse to cooperate at all is unfounded. Obama tried to the point that it hurt him.
Bill Clinton balanced the budget (the last one to do so) in response to Ross Perot's base gaining so much traction, and passed welfare reform with republican support.

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Republicans' willingness to meet in the continuously left-shifting "middle" is destroying our country.


Please feel free to show me examples of "republican willingness to meet the left in the middle".

Through our talks you have shown that you don't know the definition of socialism. That you don't understand authoritarianism. That you vehemently hate about half of our population despite not having a developed understanding of their beliefs. You could seriously benefit from putting in some more time and effort if you are truly as passionate as you make it seem. If there is a college around you, you can always audit classes for next to nothing.

Additionally, imagining your interaction at the pearly gates is amusing. "Hey Jesus! What up dude? I know that I disregarded the majority of your teachings about loving and understanding the people around me and instead chose to hate half my country because of political bullshite that I didn't even bother to really learn about, but I believe you exist and that God is your dad, so... we're good right?"
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:13 am to
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What? I'm not gay buddy. I just don't think they choose to be the way they are, nor do I have an issue with them being the way they are. It's actually possible to be heterosexual and not hate the gays. Crazy I know.


Robo, my point is does anyone really care about this argument anymore? Hell, I didn't care when it was frontpage every day. I don't know anyone else who does either. Bringing it up is just a big sign saying look at me.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:17 am to
Maybe the fifth post saying you don't care will really prove you don't care.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:19 am to
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my point is does anyone really care about this argument anymore?

What argument? The argument of if gays should or should not get equal rights? If so, then I care.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
17718 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:21 am to
are you registered to vote yet?
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