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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:59 am to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:59 am to RollTide4Ever
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Centrism is a unicorn, there's no real definition to it
This is absurd. The post WW2 US was ruled by centrist ideals up until the past 10-15 years. All centrism really means is a compromise between the left and right. Neither side holds a monopoly on all the right ideas, and our system was set up for compromise.
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Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:09 am to The Spleen
Moderate thinking is in the eye of the beholder. I think socialist thinking is extremely left wing thinking, I think Obama is very hard left, however others might consider those types of thought more centrist. On the other hand I think like Mike Pence thinks, I value conservative morals, minimal government intervention in our lives, etc. you know the drill. Many would think that is very right wing thinking. I and most of the many friends that I have and most of my family believe that is the way America should be and it is completely normal to us, thus moderate.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:12 am to amders44
Pence as a moderate is comical.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:17 am to amders44
Societal norms are fluid, and history shows that. There will always be hard left and hard right politicians. There will always be areas of the country more liberal than others, and vice versa. It's why we have the representative government we have. Despite all that, our system works best when there is good faith compromise between the two sides.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:51 am to The Spleen
This thread really took a different turn.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:09 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Academia believes that Herbert Hoover was a do-nothing president while FDR ran as a progressive during his first run to the WH in 1932.
I'm not sure about how much time you've spent in academia if you believe that.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:11 pm to amders44
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I think socialist thinking is extremely left wing thinking, I think Obama is very hard left
I'm curious about what you think was socialist or hard left in terms of Obama's policies.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:12 pm to The Spleen
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Despite all that, our system works best when there is good faith compromise between the two sides.
Something that I fear might be gone for a while.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:14 pm to amders44
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Many would think that is very right wing thinking. I and most of the many friends that I have and most of my family believe that is the way America should be and it is completely normal to us, thus moderate.
So Moussilini's Foundations of Facism was moderate political theory because it held overwhelming support in Italy?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:20 pm to The Spleen
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Despite all that, our system works best when there is good faith compromise between the two sides.
Adding to that, I also think the system works best when one party doesn't have a complete monopoly. Meaning, I'd prefer that the state of Alabama have Republican leadership, but I don't want it to be unchecked to the point where it invites corruption and the promotion of bad candidates. Its why I've wanted to see the Democrats to show a pulse when it comes to statewide races.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:17 pm to Fells
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I'm curious about what you think was socialist or hard left in terms of Obama's policies.
Obamacare
Social engineering of our neighborhoods ( Although he did not get this done, but the kind of data he was trying to collect through HUD to manufacture diversity in our neighborhoods was very left wing.
The judges he appointed were far left.
He was considered the most left Senator in the chamber based on voting records when he left the senate to run for President.
He was the first President in history to announce he is in favor of Gay marriage.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:37 pm to amders44
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He was considered the most left Senator in the chamber based on voting records when he left the senate to run for President.
I really disliked most everything Obama did in office, but you don’t help the conservative cause when you post things that are blatantly factually untrue.
For starters, BHO did not resign from the senate to run for president. He resigned a few weeks AFTER winning the 2008 general election, which is normal for that situation.
Second, he was nowhere near the most liberal senator in 2008. Hell, Bernie Sanders and Ted freaking Kennedy were in the Senate at that time. When he was elected, there were 45 non-R Senators and BHO was probably around mid-pack in terms of liberalism.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:47 pm to amders44
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He was the first President in history to announce he is in favor of Gay marriage.
Imagine thinking that this is a negative.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 2:55 pm to FairhopeTider
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Adding to that, I also think the system works best when one party doesn't have a complete monopoly.
Absolutely, especially a super majority like we've had here the past few years.
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Its why I've wanted to see the Democrats to show a pulse when it comes to statewide races.
I think we're going to see that in the next few years. If they could only get Worley out of the way.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:17 pm to The Spleen
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I think we're going to see that in the next few years. If they could only get Worley out of the way.
Not if the national party keeps moving left. If will be too much of an albatross around their necks.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:25 pm to The Spleen
Our system was set up to maximize individual liberty while minimizing gov't. Marbury V. Madison saw an end to that. That's the fault of our founding fathers, they gave the gov't the power to make all sorts of laws open for any kind of interpretation. The fact that Jim Crow laws were ruled constitutional (by a majority of GOPers from Northeastern states, mind you) is baffling. Don't get me started on Korematsu.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:28 pm to RollTide4Ever
Ike was called Dimestore New Dealer, and it's well documented that he stole the GOP primary in 1950 from Robert Taft. Years later, Ike would warned about the very military industrial complex he enabled to grow in power. It was b/c of Ike, that a democratically elected government was overthrown in Iran (courtesy of Teddy Roosevelt's grandson).
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:38 pm to Fells
Growing up, teachers always told me that Hoover did nothing while in office. When in reality, he did a complete opposite of what Warren Harding did in response to an earlier recession/depression.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:38 pm to JustGetItRight
Your wrong look it up, in a study reported by CNN, not Fox, Obama was found to be the most left voting senator in 2007. As far as resigning from the Senate to run for President that is splitting hairs he did leave the Senate for the Presidency.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:51 pm to amders44
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Your wrong look it up, in a study reported by CNN, not Fox, Obama was found to be the most left voting senator in 2007
That study was done by the National Journal, and he missed 33 of the 99 votes that the study analyzed. The study was a joke.
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