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re: 16-team SEC scheduling model(s)

Posted on 1/3/22 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

misquoted the OP.


Please explain as this is a direct quote from your OP.

quote:

That's why the 14-team/8-game scheduling isn't already using pods and/or 3 fixed rivals, rotating the other 10 teams in 5 schedule slots.


The "and" in and/or applies directly to the first part of your quote. So again please tell me how I misquoted you.

quote:

Each home/away flips in 5 years, not 8


Maybe I could have written that better for to understand but as stated in your model in your OP a team from the East would for example LSU year 1 home and year 5 away. In year 9 would play LSU home again. So yes in your model you play a home and away series every 8 years with a west team. Maybe math is not your strong suit.

quote:

I've tried to remain patient and polite with your antics, but apparently you don't even comprehend proper use of basic words like then/than and to/too.


Here we go again like you do with others in not just this thread. Anytime someone does not agree with you you become smug all knowing. But it seems to fit you.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 2:43 pm to
quote:


The "and" in and/or applies directly to the first part of your quote. So again please tell me how I misquoted you.


You intentionally excluded an important part of my sentence. What does the 'or' mean?
quote:


Here we go again like you do with others in not just this thread. Anytime someone does not agree with you you become smug all knowing. But it seems to fit you.

Your BS argumentative style is your MO.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 2:55 pm to
Lets take a look at the OP schedule for divisional play for cross divisional play against the west for UA based on the OP example.

Year 1 LSU home Mizzou away
Year 2 OU home MSU away
Year 3 Ark home Tex away
Year 4 OM home aTm away
Year 5 LSU away Mizzou home
Year 6 OU away MSU home
Year 7 Ark away Tex home
Year 8 OM away aTm home

So based on the OP model UA would play each team from the West home once every 8 years and away once every 8 years. Year 9 rinse a repeat. So year 1 play LSU home and year 9 play LSU home.

POD system for scheduling as others have posted would like this.

Pod A: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
Pod B: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Pod C: LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Pod D: Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma

POD B: Always play the other 3 in our pod.

Year 1 Non POD games for UA

POD A: Florida home & South Carolina away
POD C: LSU away & MSU home
POD D: Texas home & Mizzou away

Year 2 Non POD games for UA

POD A: Florida away & South Carolina home
POD C: LSU home & MSU away
POD D: Texas away & Mizzou home

Year 3 Non POD games for UA

POD A: UGA home & Kentucky away
POD C: aTm away & Ole Miss home
POD D: OU home & Ark away

Year 4 Non POD games for UA

POD A: UGA away & Kentucky home
POD C: aTm home & Ole Miss away
POD D: OU away & Ark home

Every 4 years you would play all non pod teams home & away and year 5 rinse and repeat. So year 1, 2, 5, and 6 I would play LSU 4 times in 8 years(2 home and away).
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 11:26 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:00 pm to
You're wrong about the 8-team division rotations. All 8 cross-div rotate in 4 years (not 8) and each home/away flips after 4 years.

I know what pods do -- good, bad and ugly. Now, list the yearly matchups sacrificed for rotating cross-pod games (you won't).
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 9:21 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:01 pm to
Dodging again I see and for the record I asked for clarification but since you are the English expert here please explain what you meant.

quote:

That's why the 14-team/8-game scheduling isn't already using pods and/or 3 fixed rivals, rotating the other 10 teams in 5 schedule slots.


and/or is a grammatical conjunction used to indicate that one or more or all of the cases it connects may occur.

It definition above is correct you are implying based on the quote that the 14-team/8-game scheduling, currently being used, could occur if so desired. So I asked for clarification.
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 11:26 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

I know what pods do -- good, bad and ugly.


The point with that post is you are arguing this

quote:

Each home/away flips in 5 years, not 8.


Except as I pointed out that is incorrect and you have yet to address it.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

I pointed out that is incorrect and you have yet to address it.

It's not incorrect. I said each home/away flips in 5 years. I didn't say all 8 of them flip within a single 5-year span.

I've clarified the explanation in the OP:
quote:

All 8 cross-div teams rotate in 4 years, playing 2 per year once, and then the home/aways flip (as often as all 12 cross-pod teams rotate).


I've also clarified the OP's "and/or" sentence:
quote:

Maybe that's why the 14-team/8-game model isn't already 3 fixed rivals, rotating the other 10 teams in 5 schedule slots (like pods).

Now, list the yearly matchups sacrificed for rotating cross-pod games (you won't).



Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 10:55 am
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

Your BS argumentative style is your MO.


Nah just will not tolerate on a board that is suppose to free for people to express their opinion to be bullied by someone because I fail to disagree with them.

And your MO is deflecting and trying to be smug with anyone that does not agree with you.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 3:12 pm to
We've both freely expressed our opinions, no?

My expectations for the new SEC 16-team structure & scheduling solution may end up being right or wrong.

I'm done debating with you. We'll see what happens.



Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 11:41 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 12:39 pm to
Four 4-team Pods -- 9 opponents/year
3 in-pod/year + 6/12 cross-pod/2-years

Pod-1:

FL: GA KY SC + AU TN, TA MS, OK MO
FL: GA KY SC + AL VU, LS OM, TX AR

GA: FL KY SC + AL VU, LS OM, TX AR
GA: FL KY SC + AU TN, TA MS, OK MO

KY: FL GA SC + AU TN, TA MS, OK MO
KY: FL GA SC + AL VU, LS OM, TX AR

SC: FL GA KY + AL VU, LS OM, TX AR
SC: FL GA KY + AU TN, TA MS, OK MO

Pod-2:

AL: AU TN VU + GA SC, LS OM, TX AR
AL: AU TN VU + FL KY, TA MS, OK MO

AU: AL TN VU + FL KY, TA MS, OK MO
AU: AL TN VU + GA SC, LS OM, TX AR

TN: AL AU VU + FL KY, TA MS, OK MO
TN: AL AU VU + GA SC, LS OM, TX AR

VU: AL AU TN + GA SC, LS OM, TX AR
VU: AL AU TN + FL KY, TA MS, OK MO

Pod-3:

LS: OM MS TA + GA SC, AL VU, TX AR
LS: OM MS TA + FL KY, AU TN, OK MO

OM: LS MS TA + GA SC, AL VU, TX AR
OM: LS MS TA + FL KY, AU TN, OK MO

MS: LS OM TA + GA SC, AU TN, OK MO
MS: LS OM TA + FL KY, AL VU, TX AR

TA: LS OM MS + GA SC, AU TN, OK MO
TA: LS OM MS + FL KY, AL VU, TX AR

Pod-4:

AR: MO OK TX + FL KY, AL VU, LS OM
AR: MO OK TX + GA SC, AU TN, TA MS

MO: AR OK TX + GA SC, AU TN, TA MS
MO: AR OK TX + FL KY, AL VU, LS OM

OK: AR MO TX + GA SC, AU TN, TA MS
OK: AR MO TX + FL KY, AL VU, LS OM

TX: AR MO OK + FL KY, AL VU, LS OM
TX: AR MO OK + GA SC, AU TN, TA MS

Many high-value matchups are not yearly
(about half as many as w/divisions). 80% of all SEC matchups play in 50% of the seasons.

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 12:16 pm to
8-team Divisions -- 9 opponents/year
7 in-division/year + 2/8 cross-div/year

SEC-East:

AL: AU, GA, FL, KY, TN, SC, VU
+2: LS MO, OK MS, OM TX, AR TA

AU: AL, GA, FL, KY, TN, SC, VU
+2: OK MS, OM TX, AR TA, LS MO

FL: AL, GA, AU, KY, TN, SC, VU
+2: OM TX, AR TA, LS MO, OK MS

GA: AL, AU, FL, KY, TN, SC, VU
+2: AR TA, LS MO, OK MS, OM TX

KY: AL, AU, GA, FL, TN, SC, VU
+2: OM TX, AR TA, LS MO, OK MS

SC: AL, AU, FL, GA, KY, TN, VU
+2: AR TA, LS MO, OK MS, OM TX

TN: AL, AU, GA, FL, KY, SC, VU
+2: OK MS, OM TX, AR TA, LS MO

VU: AL, AU, FL, GA, KY, TN, SC
+2: LS MO, OK MS, OM TX, AR TA

SEC-West:

AR: LS TA OM MS MO OK TX
+2: GA SC, KY FL, TN AU, AL VU

LS: TA OM MS AR MO OK TX
+2: AL VU, GA SC, KY FL, TN AU

OM: LS MS TA AR MO OK TX
+2: KY FL, TN AU, AL VU, GA SC

MS: LS OM TA AR MO OK TX
+2: TN AU, AL VU, GA SC, KY FL

MO: AR OK TX LS OM MS TA
+2: AL VU, GA SC, KY FL, TN AU

OK: AR MO TX LS OM MS TA
+2: TN AU, AL VU, GA SC, KY FL

TA: LS OM MS AR MO OK TX
+2: GA SC, KY FL, TN AU, AL VU

TX: AR MO OK LS OM MS TA
+2: KY FL, TN AU, AL VU, GA SC

More high-value matchups play yearly
(about twice as many as with pods or 3 fixed rivals).

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 12:51 pm to
Facts: With four 4-team pods (or 3 fixed rivals), the SEC would play only 48 yearly games and thereby less high-value annual rivalries. But with 8-team divisions, the SEC would play 112 yearly games and thereby more high-value annual rivalries. Either option would resolve the 14-team/8-game model's 12-year rotation flaw; but pods' financial impact is negative, while divisions' financial impact is positive.

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:05 pm
Posted by luvthablues
Alabama
Member since Feb 2016
180 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 3:33 pm to
The Sec network already posted the probable pods before ut and ok even accepted the invite.
Pod A: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
Pod B: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Pod C: LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Pod D: Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma
Here’s the proposed 9-game conference schedule format:
Play the three teams in your pod every season
Play two games against each of the other pods
Host every team at least once every four seasons .......
NO TO PODS, This destroys too many rivalries and big money games. Two 8 team divisions is the best way to go from both a money and fan perspective! TidalSurge1 got it right!
This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:07 pm to


Besides 8-team divisions enabling more financially beneficial scheduling (twice as many high-value yearly games as via pods), they also offer more intrinsic value, such as division winners earning opportunities to compete in the SEC Championship game.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted by clay3482
Fort Greely, Alaska
Member since Sep 2005
96 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:37 am to
I like the pods but love the 8 team grouping. I would do it north south instead of East west though.

SOUTH
UA
AU
Ole Miss
Miss State
Tennessee
LSU
UF
UGA

NORTH
SOUTH CAROLINA
aTm
KENTUCKY
MISSOURI
VANDY
OKLAHOMA
TEXAS
ARKY

This preserves every real long time rivalry, and even restores old South West conference rivalries.

The winner of the sec champ game will be included in the playoff no matter if they have 2 losses. I think it would be the best way.
Posted by clay3482
Fort Greely, Alaska
Member since Sep 2005
96 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 5:46 am to
I also love the ability to add 4 more teams. My personal choice would be Army, Navy, Kansas and Notre Dame.

The Army and Navy might seem odd, but the service academies would be the only way the SEC would accept schools in those TV markets, which would be huge, and the pageantry of playing at Annapolis or west point would be huge as well as the academic boost. Kansas and Notre Dame would be adding to the basketball prestige and academic side as well.

Kansas Notre Dame obviously to the North group and Army Navy to the South.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 5:48 am
Posted by luvthablues
Alabama
Member since Feb 2016
180 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 12:05 pm to
clay3482 ... "I like the pods but love the 8 team grouping. I would do it north south instead of East west though."

Nope, travel expenses would be much more prohibitive and several rivalries destroyed! Also I don't see adding anymore teams anytime in the next few years.... especially the four you mentioned!
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/9/22 at 1:58 pm to
Yep. N/S divisions really aren't as good as the E/W divisions.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 6:21 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/10/22 at 6:21 pm to
Also, more SEC expansion beyond TX & OK is very unlikely. Regardless, Army, Navy, ND & Kansas really aren't good fits for the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 10:09 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:50 pm to
Sneak preview
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:55 pm
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