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re: 16-team SEC scheduling model(s)

Posted on 1/30/22 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/30/22 at 3:59 pm to
College football final record predictions for every SEC team in 2022 (247)

Georgia..... 12-0, 8-0
Kentucky..... 8-4, 4-4
Tennessee.. 8-4, 4-4
S Carolina.... 7-5, 4-4
Florida......... 6-6, 3-5
Missouri....... 4-8, 1-7
Vanderbilt.... 3-9, 0-8

Alabama... 12-0, 8-0
TX A&M..... 10-2, 6-2
LSU.............. 9-3, 5-3
Ole Miss...... 8-4, 4-4
Arkansas..... 7-5, 4-4
Miss State... 7-5, 3-5
Auburn......... 5-7, 2-6
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:53 am to
2022 Recruiting Class Rankings (w/transfers)

Total Points (# of signees)
1. Texas A&M 330.72 (30)
2. Alabama 326.63 (28)
3. Georgia 316.79 (29)
5. Texas 298.05 (32)
6. LSU 278.40 (27)
9. Oklahoma 272.86 (31)
14. Ole Miss 256.86 (30)
16. Missouri 251.56 (26)
17. Florida 249.19 (24)
19. Kentucky 246.59 (25)
20. Arkansas 236.82 (26)
21. Auburn 236.39 (23)
25. Tennessee 230.27 (25)
27. S Carolina 230.05 (29)
29. Miss State 221.34 (27)
41. Vanderbilt 209.37 (31)

Average Rating (# of signees)
1. Alabama 95.3 (28)
2. Texas A&M 94.7 (30)
4. Georgia 92.8 (29)
6. Texas 91.2 (32)
10. Oklahoma 90.4 (31)
13. LSU 90.0 (27)
15. Ole Miss 89.3 (30)
17. Missouri 88.8 (26)
18. Auburn 88.7 (23)
19. Kentucky 88.6 (25)
22. Florida 88.5 (24)
25. Arkansas 87.8 (26)
27. Tennessee 87.7 (25)
29. Miss. State 87.6 (27)
45. Vanderbilt 86.4 (31)
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:41 pm to
ACC considering eliminating divisions in football (247)



Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:06 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 11:51 am to

"We comin'!"
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 8:02 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:00 pm to
8-team Divisions -- 9 opponents/year
7 in-division/year + 2/8 cross-div/year

SEC-East:

AL: AU, GA, FL, KY, SC, TN, VU
+2: LS MO, OK MS, OM TX, AR TA

AU: AL, GA, FL, KY, SC, TN, VU
+2: OK MS, OM TX, AR TA, LS MO

FL: AL, AU, GA, KY, SC, TN, VU
+2: OM TX, AR TA, LS MO, OK MS

GA: AL, AU, FL, KY, SC, TN, VU
+2: AR TA, LS MO, OK MS, OM TX

KY: AL, AU, FL, GA, SC, TN, VU
+2: OM TX, AR TA, LS MO, OK MS

SC: AL, AU, FL, GA, KY, TN, VU
+2: AR TA, LS MO, OK MS, OM TX

TN: AL, AU, FL, GA, KY, SC, VU
+2: OK MS, OM TX, AR TA, LS MO

VU: AL, AU, FL, GA, KY, TN, SC
+2: LS MO, OK MS, OM TX, AR TA

SEC-West:

AR: LS TA OM MS MO OK TX
+2: GA SC, KY FL, TN AU, AL VU

LS: TA OM MS AR MO OK TX
+2: AL VU, GA SC, KY FL, TN AU

OM: LS MS TA AR MO OK TX
+2: KY FL, TN AU, AL VU, GA SC

MS: LS OM TA AR MO OK TX
+2: TN AU, AL VU, GA SC, KY FL

MO: AR OK TX LS OM MS TA
+2: AL VU, GA SC, KY FL, TN AU

OK: AR MO TX LS OM MS TA
+2: TN AU, AL VU, GA SC, KY FL

TA: LS OM MS AR MO OK TX
+2: GA SC, KY FL, TN AU, AL VU

TX: AR MO OK LS OM MS TA
+2: KY FL, TN AU, AL VU, GA SC

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:53 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 2/22/22 at 1:04 am to
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.

This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:07 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by PBD4BAMA
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

SEC--East (8): FL GA KY SC TN VU + AL AU

Poor Vandy!
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:46 pm to
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Poor Vandy!

SEC TV contract revenue is shared equally. Vandy isn't too 'poor' to invest in improving their FB program.
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 9:43 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 4:13 pm to
14-team/8-game model: 6 in-div + 1 cross-div fixed rival (AL-TN, AU-GA...) + 1 of 6 cross-div rotating every other year—requires 12 years to rotate all 6. That flaw needs to be resolved, but are four 4-team pods a good way? Pods make 80% of all SEC matchups rotate and sacrifice many rivalries and their big financial benefits. Maybe that's why the 14-team/8-game model isn't already 3 fixed rivals, rotating the other 10 teams in 5 schedule slots (like pods).

SEC 16-team structure / scheduling solution with more rivalries + more frequent rotation:

SEC--East (8): FL GA KY SC TN VU + AL AU
SEC-West (8): AR LS 0M MS TA + M0 0K TX

^This not only facilitates more SEC rivalries, it ends the need for fixed cross-div rivals, which frees a 2nd schedule slot to use for rotations.

SEC schedules = 3 non-SEC + 9 SEC games;
7 in-division + 2 of 8 cross-div rotating yearly:

4 Rotations - #1, #8 | #2, #7 | #3, #6 | #4, #5
2 E teams --- AL, VU | GA, SC | KY, FL | TN, AU
2 W teams -- LS MO | 0K MS | 0M TX | AR TA

All 8 cross-div teams rotate in 4 years, playing 2 per year once and then the home/aways flip (as often as all 12 cross-pod teams rotate).

Consistent schedule format: 7-8 homes/year; aligns rotationals; limits post-bye opponents.
Sep: non-SEC & cross-division games
Oct: in-division games & bye (mid-season)
Nov: in-division & non-SEC rivalry games
Dec: SEC Championship game

Benefits include balanced divisions, equitable schedules, more frequent cross-div rotations, and a net gain in high-value annual rivalries — AL-LS, FL-LS rotate, but added annuals include AL-GA, FL-AU & SEC-W games vs TX, OK, MO.

Facts: With four 4-team pods (or 3 fixed rivals), the SEC would play only 48 yearly games and thereby less high-value annual rivalries. But with 8-team divisions, the SEC would play 112 yearly games and thereby more high-value annual rivalries. Either option would resolve the 14-team/8-game model's 12-year rotation flaw; but pods' financial impact is negative, while divisions' financial impact is positive.

Not only do the new 8-team divisions enable more financially beneficial scheduling (twice as many high-value yearly games as pods), they also offer more intrinsic value, such as division winners earning opportunities to compete in the SEC Championship game.

Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 11:04 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:05 pm to
I think our 16-team SEC probably will have those new 8-team E/W divisions, 9 SEC games and no fixed cross-division rivals. Hopefully, we also get equitable yearly cross-division rotations and a consistent schedule format (above).
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/19/22 at 7:10 pm to
Ahead of the SEC spring meetings, chatter is increasing that the new 16-team scheduling model will most likely be 9 SEC games and 3 fixed yearly opponents, rotating the other twelve in 6 schedule slots (i.e., no divisions nor pods).
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 1:17 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:42 am to
What will SEC’s new scheduling look like? Officials hope to settle on new model next month (The Athletic)


quote:

They’ve discussed a scenario where they do four divisions of four each, but one source didn’t think that had enough traction. The attraction there would be that lack of stigma for finishing 16th in a 16-team league, but their basketball counterparts could tell them they’ve been dealing with that since 2012.

Pods have also long been discussed, which essentially would be unofficial divisions of four each for scheduling purposes, but the standings would be determined 1-through-16.

“We still have some time based on a July 1, 2025 entry date, but it’s really been a healthy opportunity to look at how do we keep things fresh and new by moving teams through? Whether it’s divisions, single division, we’ll keep pods alive for conversation purposes today, but it’s really been an interesting conversation,” Sankey said.

That leaves a “3-6” scheduling arrangement, where each school has three permanent opponents, then rotates the other six. It could also become “4-5”, with one source not believing it would go beyond four permanent opponents. How many permanent opponents, three or four, evidently remains a big part of the discussion. Multiple sources told The Athletic that multiple options are on the table. Regardless of what option emerges, the SEC Championship Game isn’t going to go away with broadcast partners seeing such value from a game that annually yields high ratings, including 17.9 million viewers for last year’s game between Alabama and Georgia, the highest-rated non-bowl game of the 2021 season.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:06 pm to
NCAA waives 25 signings & initial counters limits for two years (athletic)
quote:

The Council also voted Wednesday to relax requirements for FBS leagues regarding conference championship games, which will allow each conference to determine the method for identifying the participants in its conference championship game. This move paves the way for the elimination of divisional play, if a league so desires.

Pac-12 scraps divisions after NCAA Division I Council votes to eliminate requirements for FBS conference title games (espn)



What if SEC does away with Divisions? (BOL)

This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 12:31 pm to
The SEC Is Getting a New Schedule Model, but Which One Will Win Out? (SI)

The conference appears split on a format ahead of welcoming its two new members. We go inside the debate, plus the pros and cons of each.
Posted by phil4bama
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Last I read, they didn't want to pony up the exit fee to leave early. That could change, but I don't see the Big 12 letting them out of it in any way.

From SECRant A&M poster:
quote:
Regardless of when they leave, they have to give 18 months notice, and the league will then withhold two years worth of revenue (which is paid at the end of the year, so there will be two payment dates within that 18 months). That doesn't really change much regardless of which year they go.

The problem is that, if they want to come before 2025, they have to find a way to buy themselves out of the grant of rights--there is no buyout provision, and they can't just leave and tell the Big XII to sue them because if they did that, they wouldn't bring their TV rights when they come to the SEC.

On the other hand, if they just wait until 2025, then they regain their TV rights and don't have to pay anything out of pocket (just suffer the loss of that last 2 years of conference distributions).

There are some other factors that have reinforced the Okies' view that they probably need to wait until 2025, but money is the largest factor.


I think that equation might change if the Big XII goes ahead and brings on the "expansion" teams. They could negotiate an early exit. Mutual cooperation is in the best interest of both parties. Burning bridges on the way out the door helps nobody. If OK St wants to maintain their rivalry with OU,for example. If the Big XII plays nice and they want to maintain the rivalry, fine. If they want to be hard asses, OU can tell them to frick off, like Texas did to A&M.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:31 am to
To vote or not? The SEC is still split on future schedule models at spring meetings (On3)


The SEC remains divided on an 8 versus 9-game conference schedule, with commish Greg Sankey saying, “More work needs to be done.” 
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 4:34 am
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:38 pm to
8 game conference schedule is ridiculous now.
Add 2 more teams, it's even more ridiculous.
They'll be teams you won't play but obce a decade.
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