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re: 16-team SEC scheduling model(s)
Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:21 pm to Bham Bammer
Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:21 pm to Bham Bammer
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How many of Alabama’s games qualify as “lucrative rivalry games” at this point?
Auburn and LSU is it.
So if you do three permanent and then rotate the others you preserve that.
Nobody cares about Bama vs Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas. Even A&M is iffy.
Others are sacrificed with those pods. It may not be our team, but the DSOR is called that for a reason.
There should be some way to do pods and still maintain one permanent non-pod rivalry.
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Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:25 pm to Cobrasize
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If the playoffs are expanded, I truly believe that we will do away with the Championship game.
No way in hell that ever happens. The conference would never give up all of those millions of dollars.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:30 pm to East Coast Band
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I really think a 10-2 (8-2) SEC team with losses against, say a Georgia and an Arkansas, is still better than a 11-1 (7-1) team that beat 4 patsies in the OOC.
The problem isn't for Alabama or Georgia. It's for South Carolina now being 5-6 going into the Clemson game and likely missing out on a bowl instead of 6-5 and already qualified. Or MSU, or Arkansas or Missouri. The SEC will likely have one or two fewer bowl eligible teams.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 6:23 pm to BamaGradinTn
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The problem isn't for Alabama or Georgia. It's for South Carolina now being 5-6 going into the Clemson game and likely missing out on a bowl instead of 6-5 and already qualified. Or MSU, or Arkansas or Missouri. The SEC will likely have one or two fewer bowl eligible teams.
I'd imagine the eligibility rules would change to allow 5-7 teams, if for only the reason to have enough teams to fill the bowls.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:18 am to BamaGradinTn
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Others are sacrificed with those pods. It may not be our team, but the DSOR is called that for a reason.
There should be some way to do pods and still maintain one permanent non-pod rivalry.
One permanent cross-pod opponent is doable, but it would use up one of the schedule slots needed to rotate cross-pod teams frequently, which is the only benefit pods offer.
At a myopic glance, pods look like a cool idea, but they're fool's gold. In-depth examination shows pods cause problems instead of being a financially sound solution.
With 8-team divisions the SEC plays 112 yearly in-div games and thereby more high-value annual rivaries. But with four 4-team pods, the SEC plays only 48 yearly in-pod games and thereby less high-value annual rivaries. That's why pods truly aren't a financially beneficial solution for scheduling SEC football.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 4:20 pm to TidalSurge1
OP edited/refined.
Posted on 12/31/21 at 12:43 pm to Bryantboyz
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Lol well I hardly said it was likely but it sure makes more sense than much of the fubar being tossed around.
Makes more sense than four 4-team pods. This post was edited on 1/5/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/31/21 at 1:16 pm to TidalSurge1
if you have 4 pods who plays in the SEC champ game. and if it was said earlier I am sorry as I have read some of the thread not but lately
Posted on 12/31/21 at 1:32 pm to mrbroker
The 2 teams with the best SEC W-L records (tiebreakers).
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 1/1/22 at 2:18 pm to mrbroker
Btw: I've refined the OP a lot, so reading it again could be worthwhile.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:03 pm to TidalSurge1
Regular Season Schedule - 4 years
AL: September ....October.... November.....
'22: 3ooc, LS MO, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'23: 3ooc, OK MS, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'24: 3ooc, AR AM, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'25: 3ooc, OM TX, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
AL: September ....October.... November.....
'22: 3ooc, LS MO, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'23: 3ooc, OK MS, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'24: 3ooc, AR AM, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
'25: 3ooc, OM TX, KY TN __ GA VU FL SC AU
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:58 pm to TidalSurge1
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L: { September } { October } { November }
'22: 3ooc, LS MO, KY SC TN __ GA VB FL AU
'23: 3ooc, OK MS, KY SC TN __ GA VB FL AU
'24: 3ooc, AR AM, KY SC TN __ GA VB FL AU
'25: 3ooc, OM TX, KY SC TN __ GA VB FL AU
No matter how you spin you will never convince me that playing and creating an annual rival with KY, USC, and Vandy is worth only playing LSU, OU, TX, and a&m, home every 8 years.
The amount of money teams would miss out on in that scenario is why in my opinion it will not happen. Might as well treat the SEC West in your scenario as OOC games.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:03 pm to TideWarrior
Ironically, you're doing the spin doctoring
You cite attendance revenue at one home game but ignore the big bag: SEC TV contract revenue. And again you ignore that your pods make AU & AL vs GA, FL & KY and LSU & TA vs TX, OK & AR rotating cross-pod games and eliminate valuable yearly rivalries: GA-TN, FL-TN, AU-GA, AL-LS, FL-LS, LS-AR & TA-AR and others that 8-team divisions would facilitate. You also ignore that your beloved pods make VU one of AL's 3 yearly in-pod games.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
You cite attendance revenue at one home game but ignore the big bag: SEC TV contract revenue. And again you ignore that your pods make AU & AL vs GA, FL & KY and LSU & TA vs TX, OK & AR rotating cross-pod games and eliminate valuable yearly rivalries: GA-TN, FL-TN, AU-GA, AL-LS, FL-LS, LS-AR & TA-AR and others that 8-team divisions would facilitate. You also ignore that your beloved pods make VU one of AL's 3 yearly in-pod games.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:13 pm to TidalSurge1
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Ironically, you're the one who's spin doctoring
I know you value your own opinion over others on this site but in the end it is just an opinion just like mine.
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You cite attendance at one home game and ignore shared TV revenue.
Except you are ignoring you have no numbers to back up again your opinion. You are speculating just like me what could generate more revenue in the end.
You are like dealing with my wife at times with an opinion(not fact) that is always right.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:24 pm to TideWarrior
VP-Marketing, very successful career. I'm not speculating just like you. Honestly, you've failed to convince me to value your myopic notions and opinions. Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:27 pm to TidalSurge1
I did not know you worked for the SEC and had so much inside knowledge regarding their TV contract. 
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:41 pm to TidalSurge1
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Honestly, you've failed to convince me to value your notions and opinions.
Same could be said of your opinion as well. You have speculated but provided no actual numbers. Your opinion is a simplistic revenue model at best but nothing to support it. Are we forecasting revenue based off a 3 statement model?
Again I enjoy everyone's opinion on here but that is all they are. Honestly the only thing I gather from yours is your personal preference is to have 3 division and not pods.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:58 pm to TideWarrior
I have a preference for the best solution. You are so enamored with pods that you can't admit they cannot provide the best overall product offering.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:11 pm to TidalSurge1
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I have a preference for the best solution.
Again your opinion which you are failing to understand the difference.
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VP, Marketing, very successful career
I to understand marketing and business very well. Why I retired from the industry due to great success at a very early age.
Titles and being smug are not the best way to sell something.
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You are enamored with pods.
Not enamored at all with them but again you are assuming. If I had my way we would not expand but drop some of the dead weight. I would much prefer a division that included UA, UGA, UF, AU, LSU, OU, TX, and a&m.
My preference is great football not blowouts and useless games against inferior opponents. Which I feel with the conference expanding the pod system would allow better games each seasons than adding 2 or 3 more cupcakes each season.
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you can't admit they cannot provide the best overall product offering mix.
I can admit in my opinion pods will be better. You can not admit you are providing an opinion and just because you do not feel you are wrong everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
Again that is my preference
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:15 pm to TideWarrior
I projected and explained what I objectively think the SEC 16-team structure/scheduling solution will be and explained why I think it's the most likely. I'm not trying to be smug about it. I'm just not interested in wasting any more time/energy discussing it with you.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 8:01 pm
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