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RollTide66
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Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Report: Deionte Thompson's draft slip due to degenerative knee BamaOnLine By Brad Crawford
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Few expected former Alabama standout Deionte Thompson to fall to Day 3 on the NFL Draft, but there's a legitimate reason for his slip into the fifth round and it had nothing to do with his play on the field according to veteran NFL analyst Ian Rapoport.

Teams discovered Thompson had a "degenerative knee condition" during the pre-draft process, an ailment many franchises couldn't look past in the early rounds with healthier players available. In fact, Thompson's condition removed him from several draft boards altogether, Rapoport says.

"It explains his fall," Rapoport tweeted.

Previously, Thompson's draft fall to the fifth round to the Arizona Cardinals was mostly attributed to his late-season struggles in coverage as a junior and he didn't get a chance to alter that narrative after missing the NFL Combine following offseason wrist surgery. Still, the hard-hitting safety was selected as a consensus first-team All-America honoree after earning the accolades from the AP, The Sporting News and the AFCA. He was also a second-team All-America selection by Walter Camp and the FWAA.

Thompson recorded two interceptions during his final season to go along with a team-high four forced fumbles and 79 tackles.

Thompson was the No. 2-ranked safety, No. 10 player in the state of Texas and the No. 44-rated overall player in the 2015 recruiting cycle, according to the 247Sports Composite.

"I thought his play was a little bit up and down toward the end of the year," ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said after Thompson was picked 139th overall. "He had some opportunities to take the ball away and didn’t, and he didn’t finish the way I expected him to based on the beginning of the season. ... But I still think he’s going to be a good player in the league.

"He has range, and I think he’ll continue to get better."

Thompson was one of a record-setting seven Alabama players to declare early this draft cycle. His decision and several others prompted Nick Saban to sound off on early departures following Alabama's spring game last month when asked about the draft.

“I do know there’s some pretty compelling stats out there about guys going out early for the draft," Saban said. "I think in the last five years, not counting this year, there’s been 380 or thereabouts go out early for the draft, and 25 percent of those guys didn’t even get drafted. And another 25 percent weren’t on the team in three years. So, that means 50 percent of the guys that went out early for the draft had failed grades.

“But if you look at the number of guys that were first- and second-round draft picks, there were very few guys that had failed careers. Now, we have guys that have no draft grades, seventh-round grades, free-agent grades, fifth-round grades that are going out of the draft. And the person that loses in that is the player."


RollTide66
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Deionte Thompson learned of knee condition with everyone else By: Jess Root
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After the Arizona Cardinal selected Alabama safety Deionte Thompson with their fifth-round pick, a report came out about a degenerative knee condition, which was likely the reason for his fall in the draft. However, it was not something he knew about.

“I heard the information just like everybody else did today,” he said when he was asked about it on a conference call Saturday afternoon.

He indicated he did have knee surgery in 2017 for a torn meniscus but has felt fine since then.

He also had wrist surgery before the combine to repair torn ligaments. He did not participate in athletic testing at the combine.

So, apparently the early draft decision was just that, a decision... that while apparently ill-advised, may end up giving him a career.
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3down10
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Hope it works out for him, at least he got drafted.


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RollTide66
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Bamaorbust
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If true he probably made a good decision. Get money while you can


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Glorious
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Man that’s awful. Good news is he graduated early so football isn’t his only route


RollTide66
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Good news is he graduated early so football isn’t his only route


Hope he is able to collect most, if not all of the contract $ or even get to the next contract, before having to have knee replacement (if that is possible).

But, it does make one wonder about the decline in his play towards the end of the season? Maybe he was being hindered by the knee or was he just trying to protect his draft potential?

Best wishes in your chosen careers (both on the field and afterwards) Mr. Thompson. Roll Tide Roll.


tider04
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
If the knee thing is legit, it was a good decision by DT. Some of the others that have left over the years, don't have the same excuse, just bad business decisions.


RollTide66
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Saivion Smith and Others Should Have Listened to Saban. What an Undrafted Rookie Earns By Larry Burton Comparing what the draft means by round and UFA and using Smith for the example:
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Your mom and dad beat this into you since you were a kid, “Stay in school!” But the lure of the NFL makes many juniors jump too early into the league and it they pay dearly for it. Quite literally pay for it in salary.

Latest case in point, Saivion Smith, a defensive back who had just one year at Alabama who showed glimpses of greatness but also showed signs of needing more coaching, polish and experience. Saban took some criticism, even from his own former player Ronnie Harrison, another ex Alabama defensive back, for saying some folks cost themselves a lot of money by leaving too early and getting stuck with a bad deal for years to come.

Had Smith stayed at Alabama and progressed through staying in the process another year, many think he could have gone as high as the second round with a great year.

Here’s Smith’s reality now: As an unsigned rookie he will make the unsigned rookie salary of about 570,000 per year. according to Sportrac. He may make about 70,000 in a signing bonus and he’s stuck with that contract for three years and only IF he makes the team. Nothing may be guaranteed but he can keep his signing bonus. So in three years he’ll make 1.7 million.

A middle round second draft choice this year is expected to earn about 1.7 million dollars a year plus a 2.7 million dollar signing bonus. So his haul in three years is 7.8 million dollars. ( A drafted player signs a four year deal compared to an undrafted player’s three year deal, but for comparison’s sake, we’re only going use a drafted player’s three year range) That’s 6.1 million dollars more money or more than two million dollars a year more than what he’ll make as an undrafted free agent. In other words, a second round players makes more in one year than an undrafted free agent player makes in three years. Plus he has guarantees and that signing bonus if things don’t work out.

But let’s say Smith stayed and was a middle third round pick, something he may have made under a more worse case scenario. That salary for a middle third round player averages to about 922,300 a year, plus an estimated signing bonus of 885,750 dollars. In three years he would have made 3,652,650 instead of his 1,780,000. That’s a difference of 1,872,650. So just as Saban had said, leaving early when you aren’t assured of a high draft pick is indeed a very costly decision.

A middle third round pick makes over twice as much per year cash as an undrafted free agent makes. You must also figure in the harsh reality that the average NFL player has just 2.8 years in the league. That’s not my facts, that’s the NFL Player’s Union number.

So if both a middle third round pick and an undrafted free agent both play three years the third round pick leaves to start his second career with almost two million more in earnings over Mr. Undrafted. Now can you see that despite the criticism Saban took, after being called greedy in wanting his players to stay, that he was really just looking out for their own best interest? Saban is not “greedy” and has advised junior who were sure first rounders to take the NFL route. He has never told a sure first second rounder that it would be foolish not to stay for his senior year
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DT55Forever1
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Just wondering why our medical staff can't find out these kind of things.
I'm pretty sure our budget can handle it.


stomp
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Just wondering why our medical staff can't find out these kind of things. 
I'm pretty sure our budget can handle it.


I have a hard time believing they didn't...


Evolved Simian
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Just wondering why our medical staff can't find out these kind of things.


Unless it's giving him serious problems, there's no reason for them to ever look.


Cobrasize
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
I bet the staff and Thompson knew about it, if it is a legit problem.


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prevatt33
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
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Unless it's giving him serious problems, there's no reason for them to ever look.


This.


prevatt33
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
Most likely, his knee is asymptomatic. But because he had had it replaired in the past, they (NFL Combine) did an MRI and found mild degeneration of some cartilage, possibly meniscus or the like.

He may be fine for a decade or longer, who knows. But it dropped him under other healthy draftable players.


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DT55Forever1
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
My point is why it's not offered to our guys looking into to draft process to better help them decide to stay or go.
It's reasonable for Alabama to put them through the same medical tests that the NFL teams will use to help them be better prepared. I'm sure Deionte and his family would like to have known ahead of time instead of finding out when everyone else did.
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Bear88
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
I could be wrong here but different teams have their own doctors and tests and such bc I have heard of players being “cleared” by certain organizations and not others so there may/may not be a standard test to give athletes before the draft process


DT55Forever1
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That makes sense. Thank you.


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RollTide66
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re: Maybe the reason Deionte T left early
How Nick Saban got Deionte Thompson ready for the NFL AL.COM By Mark Inabinett | minabinett@al.com just part of the very long article - to read it all please click the link.
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In the past six NFL drafts, six safeties from Alabama have been selected. The most recent, Deionte Thompson, joined the Arizona Cardinals on April 27.

Thompson followed Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Landon Collins, Eddie Jackson, Minkah Fitzpatrick and Ronnie Harrison into the NFL. Three of those safeties have been Pro Bowlers. Two have been first-team All-Pro.

Thompson said the depth of talent at Alabama and the attention that head coach Nick Saban gives the secondary produce NFL-ready defensive backs.

“I’m ready to compete,” Thompson said during a press conference on Thursday after arriving for rookie minicamp, which started on Friday. “Playing at Alabama really helped me compete every day just because if you’re not on your job every day there, there’s a guy right behind you that can take your spot. It’s no different in the NFL. Your spot can get taken just like that, and I’m ready for that part of it.”

Thompson said Saban had helped him learn to play football with his head.

“I can tell you he helped me one way by ripping my arse every day at practice,” Thompson said, "making sure I was on top of stuff and making sure I was accountable on that field. If you weren’t accountable, you weren’t going to be out there. He’s a great coach, and he demands excellence. He wants you to do it until you can’t get it wrong.

"That was one of the things I had to learn. I had to learn to be a fundamental player, because coming from my high school I was kind of a freelance guy, just making plays all over the field, and now with the coach Saban coaching under my belt, I understand the position."... continued...in the link


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