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re: Let's Be Real..
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:10 pm to BigFolks6347
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:10 pm to BigFolks6347
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You have no football iq if you think Milroe played bad last night.
You have no football IQ if you think Milroe played good last night.
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Some of you should stop posting if you don’t understand what you’re seeing on the field
Please take your own advice
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:16 pm to Amarillo Tide
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I agree with most of this. Yes, the O line, particularly Formby, struggled mightily but there were times where Milroe clearly panicked out there. For the record, I don't "hate" Milroe. He seems like a good guy off the field. He works hard in the weight room. He can run like a deer and throws a pretty good deep ball.
HOWEVER, when you look at his career stats, his completion percentage in short to intermediate passes is not good (no, I don't know it off hand, just saw it somewhere). He tends to not have a good touch on those type of passes. The numbers don't lie. He's been a college QB for four years now. I just don't think it's in him to make some dramatic improvement right now or in the rest of the season. He is what he is.
Hopefully, this week Proctor is back, Booker goes back to guard and Pritchett starts the rest of the season. That can at least partially mitigate Milroe's limitations.
This is what I also see with Milroe. The staff sees him as the starter, so this is what we have but he is just not there as an elite QB like some want to believe. He is serviceable but he needs to stop trying to impress everyone with his arm strength that is so hit or miss.
I like Bernard and he is such a polished WR especially his route running. He was almost open all night for Milroe. Milroe has to stop worrying about impressing people and crap like 4+2=6 merchandising.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:19 pm to TideWarrior
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You have no football IQ if you think Milroe played good last night.
He didn't play bad. He was okay.
However anyone who is playing without a RT and only 4 linemen for 3 and a half quarters most likely would only look "okay".
Especially considering his WRs were allowed to be held all game and multiple scoring plays were called back for that ghost RT.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:28 pm to YStar
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He didn't play bad. He was okay.
Not disagreeing with you here.
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However anyone who is playing without a RT and only 4 linemen for 3 and a half quarters most likely would only look "okay".
Definitely did not help him and hindered our running game.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:32 pm to TideWarrior
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Definitely did not help him and hindered our running game.
I agree with anyone who says he makes mistakes.
I don't agree when a certain consistent group comes out every game he isn't perfect and shits on him like he sucks.
He doesn't suck and he is obviously better than Ty even though I myself have been wanting Ty to beat him out. Ty didn't, Milroe is legit but he is no Tua.
Yet no one should expect him to be.
BTW these same people use to blame Bryce Young for BOB being trash. They will come and deny this.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:42 pm to YStar
The reality is if the OL can play to the level, which I think once the starters return we will rely heavy on our run game will help out. We have playmakers in the backfield. That will take the pressure off of Milroe to think he has to throw bombs every play.
I like our WRs and RBs and may be the best we have had especially together in a long time.
The issue like you mentioned everyone wants a Heisman/first round QB and that is not Milroe. With the talent we have a GMac or Coker level can win big. Just need to eliminate opportunities for opposing defenses to exploit areas Milroe is not strong.
Milroe can run the ball, and I really like him when he rolls out of the pocket.
I am fine with grind it out on the ground and control the clock offense. Our D I think can stop anyone, but we need to limit their snap count.
I like our WRs and RBs and may be the best we have had especially together in a long time.
The issue like you mentioned everyone wants a Heisman/first round QB and that is not Milroe. With the talent we have a GMac or Coker level can win big. Just need to eliminate opportunities for opposing defenses to exploit areas Milroe is not strong.
Milroe can run the ball, and I really like him when he rolls out of the pocket.
I am fine with grind it out on the ground and control the clock offense. Our D I think can stop anyone, but we need to limit their snap count.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:47 pm to TideWarrior
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The issue like you mentioned everyone wants a Heisman/first round QB and that is not Milroe. With the talent we have a GMac or Coker level can win big. Just need to eliminate opportunities for opposing defenses to exploit areas Milroe is not strong.
Milroe is way better than GMAC and Coker. The irony is that Milroe is good enough to make a Heisman finalist list or be a first round pick... he just needs to out the small things together.
It's the small things he can be inconsistent in which stops him from being as amazing as what some believe he should be.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:56 pm to YStar
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Milroe is way better than GMAC and Coker.
In my opinion he may have some things he does better or some better attributes, but I will take a game manager over his inconsistencies. To many mistakes for me that against a better team will cost us.
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The irony is that Milroe is good enough to make a Heisman finalist list or be a first round pick.
He made the list last year in my opinion because Alabama won the SEC, made the playoffs and 4th & 31. Someone always gets a nudge for what they do near the end. Milroe has yet to show he is a legit contender or 1st round pick.
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It's the small things he can be inconsistent in which stops him from being as amazing as what some believe he should be.
Different HCs and OCs/playbooks and nothing has changed. I doubt it will but hope he can learn to manage games because I do believe we have the talent to win this year and be a contender.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:18 pm to YStar
That was the perfect storm last night. Credit the USF coach for watching the Texas and Michigan film and emulating their plan to disrupt our offense. The OL had a terrible game. Shame on our coaches for not making adjustments earlier when it was clear very early that Formby (and Vandermark to a lesser degree) was overmatched. They were slow to put a TE beside him to help him out and did they ever go max protect? Sheridan should have his arse chewed out by DeBoer for not adjusting the play calling to counter their incessant blitzes and pressures. How many draws did we run? How many screens and bubble screens? How many quick slants? How many times did we run into the teeth of the defense between the A gaps when we were clearly outnumbered and/or overmatched and what happened whenever we ran outside the tackles? Even in the first half when we were gettIng whipped in the trenches, what little running success we had was done outside the tackles. But we forgot all about running the ball after getting punched in the mouth a couple of times.
By the 3rd quarter, Milroe was hearing footsteps right after the snap and was looking for an escape route immediately. And as someone already said, he’s got to take the higher percentage open throws to the short and intermediate routes instead of trying for the highlight reel home run ball so much.
Any team that can take away Milroe’s running threat and force him to be a pocket passer has us in a very bad spot. He becomes a below average QB and falls back into bad habits of locking in on 1 receiver, not going through his progressions, and freezing up, holding the ball too long and taking a sack he shouldn’t take. I’m not saying Simpson would do any better, I’m saying USF had a great gameplan, bad things started happening, and our coaches failed to respond and adjust until it was almost too late.
Jalen Milroe is exactly what we thought he was: an incredible athlete playing QB that can beat you with his athleticism but if you force him to beat you strategically by being a cerebral QB, reading defenses and attacking their weaknesses, we’re shite outta luck.
By the 3rd quarter, Milroe was hearing footsteps right after the snap and was looking for an escape route immediately. And as someone already said, he’s got to take the higher percentage open throws to the short and intermediate routes instead of trying for the highlight reel home run ball so much.
Any team that can take away Milroe’s running threat and force him to be a pocket passer has us in a very bad spot. He becomes a below average QB and falls back into bad habits of locking in on 1 receiver, not going through his progressions, and freezing up, holding the ball too long and taking a sack he shouldn’t take. I’m not saying Simpson would do any better, I’m saying USF had a great gameplan, bad things started happening, and our coaches failed to respond and adjust until it was almost too late.
Jalen Milroe is exactly what we thought he was: an incredible athlete playing QB that can beat you with his athleticism but if you force him to beat you strategically by being a cerebral QB, reading defenses and attacking their weaknesses, we’re shite outta luck.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:19 pm to TideWarrior
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Different HCs and OCs/playbooks and nothing has changed.
This just isn't true. He scans the field faster and actually makes sound reads.
We had a game with basically not RT and he was getting torched. A lot of these reactions people are going to pretend never happened by the end of this season.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:20 pm to WW
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There it is
Ystar is Milroe’s daddy. He can’t ignore any thread objectively criticizing him. It’s sad honestly.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:40 pm to Doug Heffernan
Some start out objectively criticizing but they rarely stay that way for long.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:47 pm to Carlton
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Some start out objectively criticizing but they rarely stay that way for long.
I criticize Milroe all the time. I talk about his limits.
They hate that I don't trash him like they do and blame all things on him. If you aren't irrational they hate you. I'm fine with that
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:01 pm to YStar
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They hate that I don't trash him like they do
They is a pretty far reach. Most people objectively talk about his limitations. Idiots are the ones who say he “sucks” or is “stupid”.
However, You respond to everyone the same way. You claim to be smarter and more experienced and come across as a real jackass homer.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:03 pm to Carlton
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Some start out objectively criticizing but they rarely stay that way for long.
I’d say most look objectively and the idiots who attack his character or intelligence aren’t worth responding to.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:09 pm to Doug Heffernan
We can agree to disagree, but as some one who takes this message board life seriously, I would say at least half are not objective and those are the ones who post most frequently and fervently in regards to the subject.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:29 pm to YStar
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This just isn't true. He scans the field faster and actually makes sound reads.
I actually kind of agree with this. I don't think the improvements have been pronounced or anything, but like last night after he made that idiotic decision to try and backpedal out of a sack he started to throw the ball away if he didn't see anything he was comfortable with, and he stepped up in the pocket just like he's coached to do on the TD pass to Prentice. It's not much, but it's a demonstrated ability to be coachable. And so far the only "nonononononono" kind of decision he has made was the aforementioned backpedal sack when last year he'd have made 3 of those decisions by halftime.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:50 pm to Robot Santa
milroe is a great athlete, playing qb. hes not a great qb. hes an average qb at best, who runs great.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 8:31 pm to crimsontater
You being real, like op said.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 9:29 pm to Joka2kold
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It's delusion from people who want Ty Simpson to be something he isn't. Period, end of story. The idea that two straight coaching staffs (one in which we had no incumbent starter, one in which has no loyalty to the previous starter) didn't find Simpson to be a realistic option speaks volumes.
This right here.
Milroe deserves criticism. He's not a good QB.
BUT Ty Simpson has had every opportunity in the world to take the job, and has failed. He had an entire offseason to beat Milroe in an open QB competition - he couldn't do it. He was worse than Milroe in the 2023 Spring game. He was worse in 2023 fall camp.
I, like many fans, desperately wanted Simpson to win the job prior to the 2023 season. He couldn't do it.
The sad reality is that Milroe is better than Simpson and gives us our best chance to win. Hell, Ty Simpson didn't even look good vs. WKU. He threw up an ugly pick. At least Milroe hasn't thrown an INT yet.
Hence, my post about the state of our QB room.
Our recruiting has been sub-par at QB and WR for quite a while now. You could even lump RB in there too. We haven't recruited an elite RB since Najee Harris - just keepin it 100
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 9:30 pm
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