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Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:52 am to TideSaint
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:52 am to TideSaint
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Because he didn't refer to them as Marxist?
Reading comprehension might not be your strong suit if you actually think he did.
Then LET HIM SAY IT. Does this dude suddenly use the term "Marxist and BLM" and now needs to lawyer up? You're ridiculously defending a person that was simply having a conversation with me.
Good lord, maybe he'll have more to say later on what he meant. Unless you've already advised him to plead the fifth?
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Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:55 am to mistaken4193
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Yeah but Trump supporters aren’t the ones doing the rioting and looting....Biden supporters are.
It's already documented that this is not necessarily true.
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(U//FOUO) Separately, on 27 May, users of a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel attempted to
incite followers to engage in violence and start the “boogaloo”—a term used by some violent extremists to
refer to the start of a second Civil War—by shooting in a crowd, according to DHS reporting.
This is straight from a DHS report
This post was edited on 9/1/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:56 am to bamameister
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Then LET HIM SAY IT.
So if he says it then you'll admit you were wrong?
Jesus, dude.
It really isn't that serious. Calm down.
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You're ridiculously defending a person that was simply having a conversation with me.
I'm not defending him. I'm telling you your interpretation of his words was incorrect.
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Unless you've already advised him to plead the fifth?
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:56 am to bamameister
Are you saying that Saint’s wrong or that you just don’t want to argue with him because he’s not an easy target?
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:58 am to stomp
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:59 am to CrimsonBoz
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Here’s the thing. We all know why he did it. It’s popular with the kids.
This is such a weirdly condescending and - to anybody who knows the Sabans - completely inaccurate way to frame Saban's political views.
Some of you just need to accept that he doesn't agree with you about any of this. The idea that he would dismiss this cause as just something "for the kids" and that it's just a cynical play to win over recruits is so laughable. Wishful thinking I guess.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:08 am to TideSaint
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So if he says it then you'll admit you were wrong?
Careful TS, your presumptuousness is showing, again.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:08 am to stomp
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It's already documented that this is not necessarily true.
LINK
(U//FOUO) Separately, on 27 May, users of a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel attempted to
incite followers to engage in violence and start the “boogaloo”—a term used by some violent extremists to
refer to the start of a second Civil War—by shooting in a crowd, according to DHS reporting.
This is straight from a DHS report
Yeah, and that view also ignores that the far right Proud Boys have been fighting with Antifa in West Coast cities since Trump took office. And save the "protecting their cities" argument. Most of them don't even live in the cities where the fighting has taken place.
To say only left groups have been stoking violence and property damage is either extremely ignorant, or willfully dishonest.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:09 am to Fleurs
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This is such a weirdly condescending and - to anybody who knows the Sabans - completely inaccurate way to frame Saban's political views.
Some of you just need to accept that he doesn't agree with you about any of this. The idea that he would dismiss this cause as just something "for the kids" and that it's just a cynical play to win over recruits is so laughable. Wishful thinking I guess.
I saw people on Facebook calling for his job yesterday. Legitimate Alabama fans. Some of them would rather sink the program than see this.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:10 am to Cobrasize
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Are you saying that Saint’s wrong or that you just don’t want to argue with him because he’s not an easy target?
Sounds like you aren't sure. Welcome to the club.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:10 am to The Spleen
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To say only left groups have been stoking violence and property damage is either extremely ignorant, or willfully dishonest.
Its willful dishonesty.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:17 am to bamameister
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Odd, I had to drag it out of you.
No you didn't. The first time you asked me about it I told you exactly how I feel about it. He's selling his soul for recruiting purposes. It will backfire on him.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:17 am to stomp
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I saw people on Facebook calling for his job yesterday. Legitimate Alabama fans. Some of them would rather sink the program than see this.
It's the Crimson elephant in the room. One Bama forum has gone to the trouble to define the Alabama BLM march as not quite the same as the "real" BLM protest. Oh, politics and our beloved Crimson Tide.
Coach Saban has a lot on the line with his solidarity with the players here. If there is one thing I will always take from this man is his convictions and principles. Nothing he does that hasn't been well thought out for himself and the players.
I'm even absolutely sure he knew the radioactive fallout that was coming from the fan base and nation.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:19 am to CrimsonBoz
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Here’s my takeaway, the kids believe in something, voiced their 1st amendment peacefully and today it’s over. Back to business.
I have no issue with anyone voicing their opinion even if it’s not based in fact at all. That’s the beauty of America.
If the school was allowing other events to happen, I'd agree. If the city of Tuscaloosa wasn't shutting down bars, I'd agree.
As long as they think it's okay to restrict other people's rights, any event like this should not have even the appearance of being supported by the university or the city.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:22 am to Fleurs
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Some of you just need to accept that he doesn't agree with you about any of this. The idea that he would dismiss this cause as just something "for the kids" and that it's just a cynical play to win over recruits is so laughable. Wishful thinking I guess.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but he seems smarter than that. This cause isn't based on any facts and what the BLM organization stands for is completely counter to the country and culture that allowed him to be successful in the profession he's chosen.
I guess the alternative is he just isn't as smart as I thought him to be.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:24 am to The Spleen
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To say only left groups have been stoking violence and property damage is either extremely ignorant, or willfully dishonest.
To say that left groups aren't the overwhelming majority is either extremely ignorant, or willfully dishonest.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:29 am to imjustafatkid
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To say that left groups aren't the overwhelming majority is either extremely ignorant, or willfully dishonest.
Well, I haven't said that. I honestly don't think it matters who is doing it more - it should ALL be condemned. The president was given the opportunity to condemn ALL of it last night, and didn't. His challenger has condemned ALL of it. One of the president's top advisers said in an interview just last week that the continued violence helps their campaign. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together here and see who actually wants the violence to continue.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:34 am to The Spleen
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His challenger has condemned ALL of it.
His challenger came out of his basement after calling it peaceful protests for months
This post was edited on 9/1/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:37 am to The Spleen
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Not hard to put 2 and 2 together here and see who actually wants the violence to continue.
Really? Trump has a standing offer to idiots like Ted Wheeler and Lori Lightfoot to end it tomorrow by federalizing and sending in the National Guard. Why aren't they accepting? They aren't serious about stopping anything if it makes Trump look good.
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:40 am to Fleurs
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully. That is incredibly important right, and its as American as apple pie. There is clearly nothing wrong with the players marching, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Saban marching.
I will say, however, that there are aspects of this "movement" that are disingenuous IMO. The whole thing is centered around race, and there is really nothing about these incidents that were overtly "racist."
Yes, the incidents featured a white cop killing a black person who was resisting arrest, but what made these incidents "racist?" Black cops abuse black and white people, and white cops abuse white and black people.
I agree that we need police reform, and that there is a significant problem there, but you and I both know that this narrative that black people are being hunted down in the street by cops is bullshite. But that is 100% the narrative that is being pushed, and if you object to that notion, then you are labeled a racist by many people.
Furthermore, the incident of Jacob Blake featured the cops being called on him by the woman that he raped because he showed up to her house and took her car keys, and then he showed no regard to the cops trying to apprehend him. The Saints wore this dude's name on their helmets. That is a little bit disgusting to most reasonable people.
Should the cops have shot him 7 times? No, but to act like this was some kind of racist incident and where the cop shot him because he is black, and that Jacob Blake isn't at least a little bit at fault is preposterous.
Also, the differences in the reactions between someone like Jacob Blake getting shot, and instances like black children getting shot amidst gang violence, black cops getting killed in the line of duty, etc is completely hypocritical IMO.
I am aware that people can be outraged by multiple things at once, but there are straight up crickets regarding these things by the majority of the national and social media, while at the same time they spew divisive rhetoric about how racist our country is.
I just don't believe that cops are black peoples' biggest problem in this country as far as their lives, and future goes.
I could be totally wrong on all of that, but that is just the way I see it. Again, I support anyone's right to protest and march peacefully, no matter if I agree with the premises or not.
I will say, however, that there are aspects of this "movement" that are disingenuous IMO. The whole thing is centered around race, and there is really nothing about these incidents that were overtly "racist."
Yes, the incidents featured a white cop killing a black person who was resisting arrest, but what made these incidents "racist?" Black cops abuse black and white people, and white cops abuse white and black people.
I agree that we need police reform, and that there is a significant problem there, but you and I both know that this narrative that black people are being hunted down in the street by cops is bullshite. But that is 100% the narrative that is being pushed, and if you object to that notion, then you are labeled a racist by many people.
Furthermore, the incident of Jacob Blake featured the cops being called on him by the woman that he raped because he showed up to her house and took her car keys, and then he showed no regard to the cops trying to apprehend him. The Saints wore this dude's name on their helmets. That is a little bit disgusting to most reasonable people.
Should the cops have shot him 7 times? No, but to act like this was some kind of racist incident and where the cop shot him because he is black, and that Jacob Blake isn't at least a little bit at fault is preposterous.
Also, the differences in the reactions between someone like Jacob Blake getting shot, and instances like black children getting shot amidst gang violence, black cops getting killed in the line of duty, etc is completely hypocritical IMO.
I am aware that people can be outraged by multiple things at once, but there are straight up crickets regarding these things by the majority of the national and social media, while at the same time they spew divisive rhetoric about how racist our country is.
I just don't believe that cops are black peoples' biggest problem in this country as far as their lives, and future goes.
I could be totally wrong on all of that, but that is just the way I see it. Again, I support anyone's right to protest and march peacefully, no matter if I agree with the premises or not.
This post was edited on 9/1/20 at 10:44 am
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