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Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:33 pm to stomp
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:33 pm to stomp
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What is the legal definition and applications of self defense?
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Self-defense is defined as the right to prevent suffering force or violence through the use of a sufficient level of counteracting force or violence.
Sounds about right.
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Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:38 pm to The Spleen
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Trump's offer of federal assistance doesn't absolve him of refusing to condemn the violence committed by his supporters.
So your issue is he hasn't gone on CNN and specifically said "I condemn this violence?"
But offering aid to END the violence is not condemning it?
Are you serious?
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Nobody gave those people the legal right to drive around shooting people with paintball guns.
Who gave the rioters and looters "legal rights" to pillage and burn down buildings?
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It should be easy for any person with a shred of human decency to condemn that behavior.
No one would be shooting people in the arse with a paintball if they weren't trying to destroy buildings and incite riots.
But, hey, if you SAY you condemn violence but don't do shite about it then I guess that makes you a decent human nowadays.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:42 pm to Robot Santa
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Seems that you have identified the problem.
Nah.
I took an oath almost 15 years ago to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
These looters and rioters are domestic terrorists. Period.
They aren't peaceful protesters. They're criminals.
Anyone defending them is an absolute moron of the highest order, but thankfully, this is America so they have that Constitutional right.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:48 pm to TideSaint
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Is that what happened?
Here is what happened according to reporters that broke down all the video footage available. It is not a complete chronicle of events because there are times he is not on video.
He was part of a group of armed individuals at the business. Police had formed a perimeter around them, not letting people in that perimeter, or the armed people out of that perimeter. At some point, he somehow was able to leave that area. He is seen walking around by himself. He is then seen trying to make his way back towards the business where he started, but got cut off by a large group. That is about where the video picks up from the first person he shot, and it does not really show what transpired before that. He shot that guy, and got out of there. People tried to get him to stop, but he kept moving, and a few chased him. He fell down, got hit with a skateboard, shot that guy, then shot the third guy that had a gun making his way towards him. He then got up and walked down the street with his hands in the air towards police, but no arrest was made.
If he came there to protect a business, then okay. But that begs the question why he left that business he was there to protect, somehow getting past police there to keep them separated from the protesters. I don't have any standing to say he left that area to shoot anyone, but if you walk around a volatile situation like that with a gun, people are going to respond. On the flip side of that, if you taunt or provoke someone with a gun, that person may just shoot you.
I don't think there's enough evidence to full declare he acted in self defense in all 3 shootings, but that's just my opinion.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:55 pm to TideSaint
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So your issue is he hasn't gone on CNN and specifically said "I condemn this violence?"
No, my issue is the same conservatives here that are criticizing Biden for not condemning the rioters and looters(when he actually has since March) refuse to criticize the president for the same damn thing when he has had ample opportunity to do so.
I have no expectation for this president to do that though because he's repeatedly shown himself to be a garbage human being. And your continued refusal to hold him to the same standard you want to hold Biden to reveals you to be right beside him in that department.
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Who gave the rioters and looters "legal rights" to pillage and burn down buildings?
I learned when I was 5 years old that 2 wrongs don't make a right.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 1:58 pm to The Spleen
No you see rioting = domestic terrorism, but vigilantism in response to the rioting = patriotic duty. That's where you seem to be confused. It's not OK to burn down a building, but it is definitely OK to drive an hour from your home to seek out a person who you think might burn down a building in a town you don't live in, point a gun at them, and shoot them if they get too close to you.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:00 pm to TideSaint
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domestic terrorists. Period.
That’s exactly what these worms are. In my opinion these DT are levying war against the government and state.
Levying war isn’t limited to formally declaring war. It includes any forcible opposition to the execution of a public law. Such “forcible opposition” ordinarily requires actual use of force by multiple people with the common purpose of preventing some law from being enforced. Weapons aren’t always required; sheer numbers can be enough.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:00 pm to The Spleen
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That is about where the video picks up from the first person he shot, and it does not really show what transpired before that.
So you haven't seen the footage of the convicted sex offender chasing after Rittenhouse before he turned and shot him? Convenient.
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People tried to get him to stop, but he kept moving
Would you have stopped if someone had already assaulted you?
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He fell down, got hit with a skateboard, shot that guy, then shot the third guy that had a gun making his way towards him.
Let's not forget to mention the third gentleman was also a convicted felon who was illegally carrying a gun.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:03 pm to hwyman108
Oh and here we have it! Not only do we fully de-humanize the rioters, but we label them as enemies of the state who must be dealt with as if they declared war on the United States. It's like white trash bingo.
Y'all really just need to admit that you love Rittenhouse because he got to live out your dream.
Y'all really just need to admit that you love Rittenhouse because he got to live out your dream.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:05 pm to The Spleen
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And your continued refusal to hold him to the same standard you want to hold Biden to reveals you to be right beside him in that department.
Link to my post where I said anything about Joe Biden and him condemning or not condemning violence.
Just a heads up, you won't find one because I have never said anything about Biden here.
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I learned when I was 5 years old that 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Sometimes they do. Kenosha isn't burning anymore.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:08 pm to Robot Santa
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No you see rioting = domestic terrorism
Absolutely.
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but vigilantism in response to the rioting = patriotic duty.
No. I see self-defense as self-defense. Is it really THAT hard for you to understand? Jesus.
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It's not OK to burn down a building, but it is definitely OK to drive an hour from your home to seek out a person who you think might burn down a building in a town you don't live in, point a gun at them, and shoot them if they get too close to you.
I see you left out the cleaning up of graffiti that was the initial reason Rittenhouse went into the area, along with providing first aid to the looters and rioters.
But, hey, continue screaming at the sky if it makes you feel better.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:09 pm to Robot Santa
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Y'all really just need to admit that you love Rittenhouse because he got to live out your dream.
Rittenhouse killing those three criminals bought me a home on the beach in Hawaii?
Holy shite!! Who knew?!
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:09 pm to stomp
quote:I have had a few conversations, on here, with Cobrasize. I, highly, doubt that he's a bigot or racist. You're throwing bologna at a dart board with that one.
Would you agree with Rittenhouse if he were black and shot boogaloo agitator in the same manner?
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:10 pm to Robot Santa
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You really just need to admit that you love rioters and looters because they got to live out your dream.
Fify
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:13 pm to TideSaint
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I see you left out the cleaning up of graffiti that was the initial reason Rittenhouse went into the area
Nothing says I'm just here to wipe spraypaint off the building like an AR-15.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:16 pm to TideSaint
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Sometimes they do. Kenosha isn't burning anymore.
So the Trump supporters driving around Portland shooting people with paintball guns stopped the unrest in Kenosha?
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:19 pm to Robot Santa
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Nothing says I'm just here to wipe spraypaint off the building like an AR-15.
Oh, silly.
He got the AR-15 AFTER cleaning off the graffiti.
That's why it's not an illegal firearm. He didn't cross state lines with it.
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:21 pm to The Spleen
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So the Trump supporters driving around Portland shooting people with paintball guns stopped the unrest in Kenosha?
No, but Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself did.
Also, I'm still waiting on my quotes where I held Biden to a different standard when it comes to condemning violence.
This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:22 pm to Robot Santa
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but it is definitely OK to drive an hour from your home to seek out a person who you think might burn down a building in a town you don't live in, point a gun at them, and shoot them if they get too close to you.
Open carry is legal in Wisconsin.
He has right to travel to be wherever the hell he wants to. He has a right to be wherever he wants to be as long as he wasn't trespassing
He has a right to defend himself, with lethal force, if in fear of his life or bodily injury
Posted on 9/2/20 at 2:22 pm to Robot Santa
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Nothing says I'm just here to wipe spraypaint off the building like an AR-15.
Usually when I’m cleaning graffiti I prefer my sig sauer 516 SBR. It’s more compact and lighter.
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