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Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:54 pm to Sandkhan
Why would universities want to make the athletes employees? They would have to track payroll, taxes, and provide benefits. Make them independent contractors and just provide a 1099 and be done with it.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:17 pm to tideohio
I didn’t argue for it. There are pros and cons to any “solution”
The con to them being independent contractors is it potentially makes the transfer portal even worse. If you’re an independent contractor then you should be free to come and go at a whim.
The solution to that would be to find the WWE lawyers who have somehow found a way to make their contracts completely one sided and lock talent in to one way 5 year exclusive contracts that they can void with only a 90 day notice and still classify them as independent contractors. Crazy crazy.
The con to them being independent contractors is it potentially makes the transfer portal even worse. If you’re an independent contractor then you should be free to come and go at a whim.
The solution to that would be to find the WWE lawyers who have somehow found a way to make their contracts completely one sided and lock talent in to one way 5 year exclusive contracts that they can void with only a 90 day notice and still classify them as independent contractors. Crazy crazy.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 6:41 am to tideohio
I personally don't want the athletes as employees. I think that's a really bad idea and would cost universities milliions of dollars. However, I could see that idea being floated one day by "experts" (extreme sarcasm), academic types, media types and labor unions.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 10:43 am to Amarillo Tide
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I personally don't want the athletes as employees. I think that's a really bad idea and would cost universities milliions of dollars. However, I could see that idea being floated one day by "experts" (extreme sarcasm), academic types, media types and labor unions.
I don't think academic administrations want athletes to be considered employees to be quite honest.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 10:43 am to Sandkhan
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Everybody wants free market capitalism until it’s college sports
do you not understand the difference between a collegiate sport and a free market? if it were a free market of talent you wouldnt have to be enrolled in a school to be on the team (which is probably where all this is headed). this is just an asinine remark, where someone pretends they dont understand a simple distinction between what is an amatuer collegiate sport and what is a professional sport. if its going to be a professional sport, get rid of the pretense that is has anything to do with educational institutions, open it up to everybody, let the players unionize, etc etc. pretty quickly that new pro sport is going to find its own set of rules to reign in a compensation free for all and get to some kind of parity. show me a pro sport in existence where one team is allowed to have a payroll 10x the team next to them in the same league. its a sport not a commodities market, you are forgetting the underlying assumption of a sport, especially what is supposed to be an amateur sport, that there is meant to be a reasonably fair set of rules and playing field.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:01 am to Sandkhan
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They miss the days of giving Cam 200k.
When it was a black market, certain monies were not made available for such endeavors. Now the legitimate money is in the market. You couldn't get a guy like Cam for less than a million a year now I imagine.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:22 am to narddogg81
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do you not understand the difference between a collegiate sport and a free market? if it were a free market of talent you wouldnt have to be enrolled in a school to be on the team (which is probably where all this is headed)
Yeah dude you answered your own question and then kept typing for a year. This isn’t your grandpappys college football anymore.
A lot of the athletes are “students” in name only. And it’s been that way prior to NiL. John Wall said he never went to class because he knew he’d be gone before there would be any consequences.
You have to stop thinking of it as what it was and looking at it as what it is. College sports are now really club programs(which is ironically what a lot of them started as) where the players are highly sought after talent and can capitalize on that talent.
The ncaa is toothless.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 4:51 pm to Sandkhan
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That doesn’t seem to be true. “No market for them”…then why are they getting paid?
Because of judicial fiat, not market forces.
Ask yourself this, if there was a huge market for 18-22 year old football players, why didn't some collection of rich guys come along and steal all the college players by paying them and starting a league decades ago? And if your first response is to type, "But why would someone do that? You can't compete against the NFL with a professional league!" you just proved my point. Outside of rooting for the traditions and pomp of your favorite university, individual players have almost no draw. People tune in to root for (or sometimes against) the Michigan Wolverines, Texas Tech Red Raiders, or Oregon State Beavers. The fact is, a scholarship and all the other benefits players were making was more than generous.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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But why would someone do that? You can't compete against the NFL with a professional league!"
College Football does it every year and makes huge money.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 6:16 pm to Sandkhan
I understand your argument, but it’s somewhat flawed in that league and team branding drives all sports.
NFL. Mahomes is a star. But if the nfl didn’t exist and the chiefs didn’t exist and along came football and he was doing what he’s doing then no one would care.
Of course all fans are cheering for their team. And they want these extremely talented players to play for their team so their team wins. That’s a market. Clearly. Or they wouldn’t be getting the money. No one is paying the rowing team
NFL. Mahomes is a star. But if the nfl didn’t exist and the chiefs didn’t exist and along came football and he was doing what he’s doing then no one would care.
Of course all fans are cheering for their team. And they want these extremely talented players to play for their team so their team wins. That’s a market. Clearly. Or they wouldn’t be getting the money. No one is paying the rowing team
Posted on 7/13/24 at 9:06 pm to Sandkhan
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College Football does it every year and makes huge money.
You're missing the point -probably purposely. There is no market to watch 18-22 yo pros play football. There is a massive market to watch Univ of Iowa play Ohio State or NC State play Clemson. College football fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite school play football.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 9:35 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Ok. I guess by your logic Mahomes has no value because no one would pay to watch him play backyard football. They’re only paying to watch the Chiefs.
frick it. Give him minimum wage.
frick it. Give him minimum wage.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 9:42 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I don’t want to really keep going back and forth on it, because there’s no point. Boosters and NiL providers aren’t paying these kids out of the kindness of their hearts. This is simple supply and demand. They supply talents, exposure, winning. The demand is met for money.
Again, no one is paying the intramural ping pong team, even if it’s Alabama vs Clemson.
Again, no one is paying the intramural ping pong team, even if it’s Alabama vs Clemson.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:22 pm to Sandkhan
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I don’t care either way because I’m not one of the people who does this, but most of the people who want to reign in NiL and cap what the players can make would throw an absolute hissy fit if that was suggested in any other business
Uh……. Isn’t that how it’s done in nearly every Pro sports league?
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